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Old May 4, 2013 | 08:22 AM
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Yeah Brian at Aes didn't send pics of pistons but most damage was done to 1 head and the valves waiting to hear back from him if anything else was wrong. Ill update once I hear back from him just been so aggrevated with all that has happened with car and its not been just the engine damage either.
Ugh. I feel your pain bro. We are in the same boat dealing with the same people. Its sickening.
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Old May 6, 2013 | 07:28 AM
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I hate seeing threads like this! Waiting for my F1A install this week. No forged motor for me yet. Hopefully, the tuner/installer will help you out $$$.
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Old May 6, 2013 | 08:06 AM
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I feel like the plug and timing wouldn't of done this had the fuel system been set-up properly.

Fix the way the fuel is fed to the rails, and you will be a happy customer. That said, try it with a little less timing, or put one step colder plug in it.
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Old May 6, 2013 | 08:51 AM
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Thanks Martin and everyone else with helping diagnose the issue I'm not good at tuning.
I fought the shop will help out much but we will see, I just hope things go smoother this time around.
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Old May 6, 2013 | 06:19 PM
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Good luck and keep us updated.
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Old May 18, 2013 | 01:15 PM
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Got an update need 4 pistons and new valves and valve guides for head
Also think we found the issue, they only fed 1 rail not both and that's why only one side hade damage so will be addressing the fuel issue and hopefully fix everything and maybe go even faster once all is done.
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Old May 18, 2013 | 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by +badss+
Got an update need 4 pistons and new valves and valve guides for head
Also think we found the issue, they only fed 1 rail not both and that's why only one side hade damage so will be addressing the fuel issue and hopefully fix everything and maybe go even faster once all is done.
Ouch, the damage sucks, but figuring out what caused it is the silver lining so this can be avoided in the future. Since they setup the fuel system, I'm hoping they take care of the repairs.
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Old May 18, 2013 | 02:08 PM
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How can they only feed one rail ? If that was the case the engine would only have run on 4 cylinders ?
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Old May 18, 2013 | 02:28 PM
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Think he is meaning the fuel pump only feeds one side then crosses over to the other side, then goes out to the regulator. Series vs parallel fuel rails.
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Old May 18, 2013 | 02:30 PM
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Did they run pump-to-rail-to-rail-to-regulator
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pump-to-regulator-to-rail-to-rail?

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Old May 18, 2013 | 03:31 PM
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They ran fl to regulator to one rail and fed to other rail instead of running fl to reg to y and feed both rails this is what we feel caused the issue and damage to one side and not the other.
And yes it should be trapping in the 149-155mph range so I think it was starving for fuel and thus making less hp. Ill post when I get more.
As for the shop I really haven't said much as they have not said any plans because not sure what happened until engine was gone thru but hopefully they can help me get things corrected and finally get to have real fun with the car.
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Old May 18, 2013 | 03:41 PM
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I still cant picture what your describing as far as plumbing goes ?

Draw a schematic of it.
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Old May 18, 2013 | 04:11 PM
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Stevie, sounds like they ran from the fuel pump into one inlet of the regulator, then connected the other inlet of the regulator to one end of the driver side rail, then the other end of the driver side rail to one end of the passenger side rail, then the other end of the passenger side rail capped.

It'll run like that up until you get to about 75-80% of your pump capacity. Then your end rail will have more pressure while the middle rail starts bleeding off before the regulator can pinch it off.

They should've gone pump to y to ends of both rails, then each rail end to the two regulator inputs. Or worst case pump to T at one regulator input and then to rails with the other regulator input capped. Wouldn't risk it on a boosted car though.
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Old May 18, 2013 | 07:48 PM
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Wonder if the fuel issue was the biggest reason for being down on power.
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Old May 18, 2013 | 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SSellers

They should've gone pump to y to ends of both rails, then each rail end to the two regulator inputs.
That is the way I have always done it. Couple more fittings, but it will prevent motor failure, lol. If you are already in it for $400 worth of fittings and line, what is another $100!

As for why it might have been down on power, quite possibly unless they were taking measurements on both banks of cylinders and not just one or combined. If one side was running lean and the other fat, could definitely be down on power.
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Old May 18, 2013 | 11:46 PM
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its still nice to think about the setup running 9's starving for fuel at pig weight with lots of improvement on the 60 left. shes going to come back better....faster,,,stronger.
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Old May 19, 2013 | 09:46 AM
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That's what I'm hoping for...
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Old May 20, 2013 | 10:47 PM
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Just wow.
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Old May 21, 2013 | 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin@Tick
Just wow.

Hey, there are plenty of shops that learn how to do their job on a customer car and then charge the customer for the training they got. Sounds backwards, don't it?
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Old May 21, 2013 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by SSellers
Hey, there are plenty of shops that learn how to do their job on a customer car and then charge the customer for the training they got. Sounds backwards, don't it?
Not when the shop thinks they can do no wrong lol

cough* take your **** and run *cough
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