Max boost through alum LS block?
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Max boost through alum LS block? Bores are at 3.907, ARP hardware throughout, Callies rods, Wiseco pistons, 10.5:1 CR, plenty of valve spring to support the cyl pressures, plenty of fuel system, AIS meth kit onboard, IATs <100, current boost @ ~19psi.
How far have the aluminum blocks been pushed without imminent failure?
How far have the aluminum blocks been pushed without imminent failure?
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I see 0* KR right now. But just because KR isn't happening doesn't mean I can just keep pushing up the boost... right?
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Bores are at 3.907, ARP hardware throughout, Callies rods, Wiseco pistons, 10.5:1 CR, plenty of valve spring to support the cyl pressures, plenty of fuel system, AIS meth kit onboard, IATs <100, current boost @ ~19psi.
How far have the aluminum blocks been pushed without imminent failure?
How far have the aluminum blocks been pushed without imminent failure?
There are several block/liner combos and each will have different strengths. But from the bore size you mention I assume you have either LS1/6
And you also dont say how much power you are making, boost is irrelevant other than the potential for detonation.
But the simple fact your liners will now be very thin, isnt a good starting point.
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Thats good news...
Yeah, I've heard 25 is a good #, 28 sounds even better.
I'm just below 20psi right now, 16* timing, zero KR.
Yep, LS6 block. Haven't dyno'd the car, but it trapped 170mph in a 1/2mi drag last weekend. I know that doesn't help much... lol
I need to get the car back on the dyno, but the local shops are busy as hell. Next appointment isn't until July.
Finally, I wasn't under the impression that a fresh 3.907 bore was all that far out there. Other threads are saying 3.915, 3.910, even 3.908 ok as max bore sizes.
Quite simply, I'd thought about pushing out to ~25psi to achieve the best ET this combo has in it, then detune it a bit. I don't want to kill it this early in the year!
Yeah, I've heard 25 is a good #, 28 sounds even better.
How fast other alloy blocks have been pushed mean little as to how much you're bored to the limit LS1/6 block are pushed.
There are several block/liner combos and each will have different strengths. But from the bore size you mention I assume you have either LS1/6
And you also dont say how much power you are making, boost is irrelevant other than the potential for detonation.
But the simple fact your liners will now be very thin, isnt a good starting point.
There are several block/liner combos and each will have different strengths. But from the bore size you mention I assume you have either LS1/6
And you also dont say how much power you are making, boost is irrelevant other than the potential for detonation.
But the simple fact your liners will now be very thin, isnt a good starting point.
I need to get the car back on the dyno, but the local shops are busy as hell. Next appointment isn't until July.
Finally, I wasn't under the impression that a fresh 3.907 bore was all that far out there. Other threads are saying 3.915, 3.910, even 3.908 ok as max bore sizes.
Quite simply, I'd thought about pushing out to ~25psi to achieve the best ET this combo has in it, then detune it a bit. I don't want to kill it this early in the year!
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I would say very few push a stock LS1/6 block past 3.905", especially with boost.
All you can do is take your chances. People have bust them with less power and boost. Or all it might take is some detonation
If you absolutely trust your knock sensors then all good and well in that respect.
All you can do is take your chances. People have bust them with less power and boost. Or all it might take is some detonation
If you absolutely trust your knock sensors then all good and well in that respect.
Impressive, that calculates to over 1000hp. Any other details on the combo?- Type of power adder
- Fuel used
- Compression ratio
- Stock block, or stock block, crank, rods, etc.
- Stock heads and head bolts
I'm currently at 20 psi and almost 900rw on a cam only 85k mile LS1 with twin turbos. I'm trying to figure out how much more it will take.
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That's exactly what I was looking to determine myself. Going to take her to the track and just start working my way up and checking the tune each and every pass.
* PT88
* 100 + 50/50 meth
* 10.5:1
* stock block & crank, forged rods & pistons
* reworked 317s, ARP studs throughout
* PT88
* 100 + 50/50 meth
* 10.5:1
* stock block & crank, forged rods & pistons
* reworked 317s, ARP studs throughout
Impressive, that calculates to over 1000hp. Any other details on the combo?- Type of power adder
- Fuel used
- Compression ratio
- Stock block, or stock block, crank, rods, etc.
- Stock heads and head bolts
I'm currently at 20 psi and almost 900rw on a cam only 85k mile LS1 with twin turbos. I'm trying to figure out how much more it will take.
Thanks, man. I found one of your threads where it lists the setup. Very good numbers with a lot of stock parts. This looks like a good indication of what is possible. What kind of air fuel ratios were you seeing? I made 3 test passes on 20 psi at 10.6:1 AFR. I typically run 11:1 AFR on 18 psi.
With your 317 heads, more than likely you're going to start pushing water at 20+ psi. Bob
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