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Old Jun 5, 2015 | 12:16 PM
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Since i have alot of e85 stations by me and don't have methanol injection yet, I'd like to try it in my car.
5.3 @ 14psi now
On3 76,Tick turbo cam
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figured I'd give the basic fuel supply info.
So the questions are.
is my pump and injectors enough?
What timing and afr should I shoot for? I have it @ 11.7 now when it sees boost.
My wideband O2 has e85 and gasoline settings. should i leave it on gasoline and just look for the different ratio?
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You should tune in lambda if it's available

On e85 I'm at .77-.78 lambda and 14* of timing
Pretty conservative tune while I get everything else sorted out

Pump might be a little on the small side for corn but it'll probably work at the boost levels you're wanting, I'm using twin 340s and resized 84 injectors from fic and Im not running out of fuel yet at 730ish
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Old Jun 5, 2015 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mkvamso
You should tune in lambda if it's available

On e85 I'm at .77-.78 lambda and 14* of timing
Pretty conservative tune while I get everything else sorted out

Pump might be a little on the small side for corn but it'll probably work at the boost levels you're wanting, I'm using twin 340s and resized 84 injectors from fic and Im not running out of fuel yet at 730ish
Looking to turn this up to 18-20psi if i can. But with the volume ill need, the 044 may not be enough. Time for me to do some pump flow math.
why is lambda more favorable tuning e85?
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Old Jun 5, 2015 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by LT1PWRD
Looking to turn this up to 18-20psi if i can. But with the volume ill need, the 044 may not be enough. Time for me to do some pump flow math.
why is lambda more favorable tuning e85?
if those are your plans i'd personally go twin 044's and more injector. at least 160's i'd say
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Old Jun 5, 2015 | 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Defined1983
if those are your plans i'd personally go twin 044's and more injector. at least 160's i'd say
Daaamn, that much more injector huh? Well, before I do that,what could I get outta what i got?
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Before cranking it up you should log your car to see what sort of DC you are using on lower boost. FWIW if you have an electronic fuel pressure gauge you could splice that into an hptuners pro box to log for any drops as you push more boost. I run 2000cc injectors and on 16psi I'm seeing about 70% dc and steady pressure on dual 340 pumps. I plan on pushing 22psi later this fall so i'll be watching my Lambda, fuel pressure and injector dc as I work my way up there.
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Old Jun 5, 2015 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by willizm
Before cranking it up you should log your car to see what sort of DC you are using on lower boost. FWIW if you have an electronic fuel pressure gauge you could splice that into an hptuners pro box to log for any drops as you push more boost. I run 2000cc injectors and on 16psi I'm seeing about 70% dc and steady pressure on dual 340 pumps. I plan on pushing 22psi later this fall so i'll be watching my Lambda, fuel pressure and injector dc as I work my way up there.
I've seen 45-60% DC so far,maybe you're right. Unfortunately, the MSD system doesn't have data logging capabilities.
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I just maxed out a set of fic1000cc injectors, 14psi, 11.7 af, 14degrees of timing, magnafuel 4303 pump, -10feed -8 return, stock 5.3, s475, on e85. Put down 704whp 606wtq.
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Originally Posted by 6669camaro
I just maxed out a set of fic1000cc injectors, 14psi, 11.7 af, 14degrees of timing, magnafuel 4303 pump, -10feed -8 return, stock 5.3, s475, on e85. Put down 704whp 606wtq.
If 9.7 is stoich for e85 isn't your 11.7 very lean? Great numbers btw!
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The thing about E85 is they claim it uses ~30% more fuel at the same level as gasoline, so the demand is much higher on your pump and injectors. I almost went with the Atomic system but after researching them I decided there weren't enough features so I stepped up to the Holley Dominator.

Did you ever get your other issues fixed from your last track visit? Where do you run, Lebenon Valley?
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Old Jun 6, 2015 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by LT1PWRD
If 9.7 is stoich for e85 isn't your 11.7 very lean? Great numbers btw!


Im sure he meant 11.7 on the gas scale. That's why people like speaking in lambda when it comes to afr.
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Exactly
Lambda is the same for whatever fuel you're using
Makes it much less confusing than when you're reading in gasoline scale or if you're using a different fuel
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Originally Posted by Defined1983
if those are your plans i'd personally go twin 044's and more injector. at least 160's i'd say
At least 160's?!?! Jesus man, I am running a 9.15 with 18psi of boost on siemens 80#'ers on ethanol. I had to raise my base pressure though. But you are going to be more than fine on a set of Bosch Hi-Z 127# injectors. That is a good and fair priced injector.
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Originally Posted by Ratical
The thing about E85 is they claim it uses ~30% more fuel at the same level as gasoline, so the demand is much higher on your pump and injectors. I almost went with the Atomic system but after researching them I decided there weren't enough features so I stepped up to the Holley Dominator.

Did you ever get your other issues fixed from your last track visit? Where do you run, Lebenon Valley?
Thanks for asking, yes, i believe i have it figured out (shifting issue) from the highway tests ive done.
Yes, Lebanon Valley mostly. Island dragway sometimes but LV is soo much nicer and im in the middle of the 2 tracks mileage wise.
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Originally Posted by johnminer
Im sure he meant 11.7 on the gas scale. That's why people like speaking in lambda when it comes to afr.
Ahh, gotcha, so i could use my gas scale for e85 to not confuse myself right? When it comes down to it, its an o2 sensor, not a fuel type sensor.
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Originally Posted by 93camaro_zzz
At least 160's?!?! Jesus man, I am running a 9.15 with 18psi of boost on siemens 80#'ers on ethanol. I had to raise my base pressure though. But you are going to be more than fine on a set of Bosch Hi-Z 127# injectors. That is a good and fair priced injector.
What base pressure are you running and what pump setup?
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So can i just tune for 11.5 ish, bump timing to 14 or 15 and just watch duty cycle to make sure it stays in check?
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I'm using fic 84lb iniectors at 18psi on corn and they weren't above 80% at 730hp
My base pressure it at 75psi though
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Am i correct in saying, on a gas scale, if i tune for 11.5, this would be the same safe afr for e85 ?
And my DC would increase on it's own to satisfy the commanded afr and extra fuel needed,correct?
Provided my injectors and fuel supply could keep up of course.
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Originally Posted by mkvamso
I'm using fic 84lb iniectors at 18psi on corn and they weren't above 80% at 730hp
My base pressure it at 75psi though
Is raising the base fp to that range typical for using e85?
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