Help me understand injector prices
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Help me understand injector prices Why is it when you go from (unmodified) lets say a 80lb Bosch to 160lb and up Bosch the price doubles! No one did anything to it,no flow match,no mods.
Whats soo different inside on an OE injector that the price goes from a $400 set to $8-1000 set? Demand?
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Whats soo different inside on an OE injector that the price goes from a $400 set to $8-1000 set? Demand?
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Yup, because they can. They know people needing 160+ injectors are pushing some serious power and have lots of $$$ invested in their build. So for one, they have the money to afford then them and two they are the type of people who would spend more money on something that will ultimately make their huge investment last.
People who spent 30k+ on a engine/turbo setup will have no problem dropping 1k on injectors. People who have a 19 year old junkyard LS1 with some home ported heads and cam will not want to spend that kind of money when it comes time to upgrade injectors thus the non existent price gouging on say 30-40lb injectors.
Now some injectors are better than others, but not anywhere near linear with what they cost.
People who spent 30k+ on a engine/turbo setup will have no problem dropping 1k on injectors. People who have a 19 year old junkyard LS1 with some home ported heads and cam will not want to spend that kind of money when it comes time to upgrade injectors thus the non existent price gouging on say 30-40lb injectors.
Now some injectors are better than others, but not anywhere near linear with what they cost.
It's the same reason why a huge LSA loping shelf grind cam is twice as expensive as a stock LS6 cam. The stock LS6 cam actually takes MORE WORK as they have to machine off more material than a larger cam, but yet it is half expensive. Explain that one to me.
But yeah, I understand your point. I have been praying that an injector company realizes this point, and releases large flow injectors at the price they are supposed to be. (And they would sweep the market if they did).
But yeah, I understand your point. I have been praying that an injector company realizes this point, and releases large flow injectors at the price they are supposed to be. (And they would sweep the market if they did).
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It's the same reason why a huge LSA loping shelf grind cam is twice as expensive as a stock LS6 cam. The stock LS6 cam actually takes MORE WORK as they have to machine off more material than a larger cam, but yet it is half expensive. Explain that one to me.
But yeah, I understand your point. I have been praying that an injector company realizes this point, and releases large flow injectors at the price they are supposed to be. (And they would sweep the market if they did).
But yeah, I understand your point. I have been praying that an injector company realizes this point, and releases large flow injectors at the price they are supposed to be. (And they would sweep the market if they did).
So you're trying to compare mass produced pricing with low volume pricing using higher quality parts ? Really ?
If you want cheap, here ya go....fill your boots !
http://pt.aliexpress.com/item/650CC-...941240649.html
If you need more flow per cylinder, just run 2, or 3 per cylinder.
I'll await stories of the engine blowing up or not running correctly in a few weeks lol
Along with So you're trying to compare mass produced pricing with low volume pricing using higher quality parts ? Really ?
If you want cheap, here ya go....fill your boots !
http://pt.aliexpress.com/item/650CC-...941240649.html
I'll await stories of the engine blowing up or not running correctly in a few weeks lol
If you want cheap, here ya go....fill your boots !
http://pt.aliexpress.com/item/650CC-...941240649.html
I'll await stories of the engine blowing up or not running correctly in a few weeks lol
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Listen, i understand makin a buck but this price gouging is sad if this is truly whats going on. I also understand the legit companies that are spending time flow matching and makin their own nozzles getting paid for the time and R&D.
Im just talkin one OE injector to another, its friggin crazy.....
On that note, what type of info/experience does anyone have about the Bosch CNG high flow injectors that people are selling as "race" injectors?
They say gasoline, e85 and other fuel compatable. Some of the 200lb plus flow ones say "has no screens" so make sure you run 10 micron or better filter. Which is a given anyway.
Im just talkin one OE injector to another, its friggin crazy.....
On that note, what type of info/experience does anyone have about the Bosch CNG high flow injectors that people are selling as "race" injectors?
They say gasoline, e85 and other fuel compatable. Some of the 200lb plus flow ones say "has no screens" so make sure you run 10 micron or better filter. Which is a given anyway.
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It is purely supply and demand. No back story of sellers assuming one guy can pay more because X, Y, and Z BS. If there's a mass surplus of a part and/or little demand the price will go down
If you're buying parts that can be found on stock production cars, that have been made in the last 10 years or so, they're gonna be cost effective. The parts are made in such a huge mass quantity that A) production costs are less and B) supply far outweighs demand.
Today, you can get a LS9 cam for $99-$120. I don't doubt that GM had 100,000 of them made in one batch. How many went into cars? There's gotta be a HUGE surplus of them. They're not the best, but they're not a bad cam for much of what we do here. Still it seems they're rarely chosen. Huge supply, low demand, cheep
+/-10 years ago, you could buy a re-manufactured carburetor at the parts store for $99-$120... The market has changed. Supply and demand.
Wouldn't the question be equally valid if it were asked as "why are smaller injectors so inexpensive?"?
If you're buying parts that can be found on stock production cars, that have been made in the last 10 years or so, they're gonna be cost effective. The parts are made in such a huge mass quantity that A) production costs are less and B) supply far outweighs demand.
Today, you can get a LS9 cam for $99-$120. I don't doubt that GM had 100,000 of them made in one batch. How many went into cars? There's gotta be a HUGE surplus of them. They're not the best, but they're not a bad cam for much of what we do here. Still it seems they're rarely chosen. Huge supply, low demand, cheep
+/-10 years ago, you could buy a re-manufactured carburetor at the parts store for $99-$120... The market has changed. Supply and demand.
Wouldn't the question be equally valid if it were asked as "why are smaller injectors so inexpensive?"?
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Anyone have any links to any 127-160lb that are reasonable? Lowest ive found is like $68 ea for 160s
Lookin for LS2 height and EV6.
I guess i could space my rails if i found a different height alot cheaper than LS2
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Lookin for LS2 height and EV6.
I guess i could space my rails if i found a different height alot cheaper than LS2
Thanks
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Weren't you only shooting for 700whp? Why not just run the $330 80 lb dekas?
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On that note, what type of info/experience does anyone have about the Bosch CNG high flow injectors that people are selling as "race" injectors?
They say gasoline, e85 and other fuel compatable. Some of the 200lb plus flow ones say "has no screens" so make sure you run 10 micron or better filter. Which is a given anyway.
They say gasoline, e85 and other fuel compatable. Some of the 200lb plus flow ones say "has no screens" so make sure you run 10 micron or better filter. Which is a given anyway.
So you're trying to compare mass produced pricing with low volume pricing using higher quality parts ? Really ?
If you want cheap, here ya go....fill your boots !
http://pt.aliexpress.com/item/650CC-...941240649.html
If you need more flow per cylinder, just run 2, or 3 per cylinder.
I'll await stories of the engine blowing up or not running correctly in a few weeks lol
If you want cheap, here ya go....fill your boots !
http://pt.aliexpress.com/item/650CC-...941240649.html
If you need more flow per cylinder, just run 2, or 3 per cylinder.
I'll await stories of the engine blowing up or not running correctly in a few weeks lol
Stage 1: $100
Stage 2: $200
Stage 3: $300
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I've never seen pricing like that, so no, I dont follow you.
And ID2000's are simply CNG injectors, nothing fancy and nothing unique to ID other than perhaps they just grind off the part number.
And ID2000's are simply CNG injectors, nothing fancy and nothing unique to ID other than perhaps they just grind off the part number.
I think with ID being "overpriced" is the fact you are paying for them being drilled, flow matched and injector data. The data gives tuner an opportunity not to have to "guess" at the numbers and use accurate info. IDs are also properly characterized and matched as well. So, a lot more R&D went into the making of those injectors more so than other companies. That reflects in their prices. Thats why some shop prefer and/or refuse to tune a car without ID brand injectors......
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Plus,i have 2 e85 stations within a mile and thats what I've been running in the car. Already runnin FIC 80s and 2 044s w IDC is hittin up to 90% on some of my highway pull testing, I'm not comfortable with it that high.
I've plans to get rid of this baby turbo and want to have enough injector to be safe.
How is idle/tuning when you get into 160-210lb?
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