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Old May 23, 2016 | 08:51 PM
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First build for me, and I am trying to figure out compression ratio before I pick new Pistons/rods. I have read in a lot of posts that you want some where in the 9.7-10:1 CR for a procharge build. Here is what I got.
Wiseco 3.903, -3.2 reliefs
LS9 gasket 4.100, .051 thickness
PRC 215 68cc
Stroke 3.622
CR: 9.64

Getting 9.92 with same stuff except a .041 gasket 4.0 size. Also thought about using Trick flow 220 that have a 64cc chamber, same piston and LS9 gasket. I am getting CR:10.08. I used the Wallace racing calculator and just wanted to know if those are correct CR numbers. Any advice on the Pistons or which head to go with would be great.

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Old May 24, 2016 | 09:24 AM
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I get 9.635:1 compression with the LS9 gasket. I would shoot for 10:1 - 10.5:1 for a street driven Procharged car.
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Old May 24, 2016 | 10:15 AM
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I have been reading threads about this also. It seems a lot of guys are going with high boost and low compression and having to spin the pro charger beyond its safe rpm speeds. There for to compete with a turbo build boost wise is not the way to go.
There are calculators that will take your horse power plus psi and give you a result. I was amazed to see a 550hp motor @ 7psi went to 800hp more or less. This made me think that a pro charger could last forever compared to turbos while making great power with better air temps and higher compression. Should be great out of the hole and at 1/8 mile tracks.
I also found that even a high compression engine to around 12:1 camed correctly bleeding off cylinder psi @ the right amount (overlap/lobe separation) is good. Pro chargers are ideal for stock cr's (11:1-10.5:1)and cams.
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Old May 24, 2016 | 12:33 PM
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OP, what octane fuel are you going to run? That's going to be the determining factor.
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Old May 24, 2016 | 01:20 PM
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Will be running 93. Still messing with piston and head combos to get that 10:1 ratio.
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Old May 24, 2016 | 01:39 PM
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Used diamond racing calculator and got a 10.15:1 with:
Wiseco 3.903, -3.2 Pistons
Scat I beam with arp 8740, 6.125", .927 pin
PRC 225 heads 62cc small bore chamber
LS9 head gasket
Any suggestions or changed I should look into?
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Old May 24, 2016 | 02:52 PM
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correctly bleeding off cylinder psi @ the right amount (overlap/lobe separation)
Neither of those affect DCR directly. The determinant is intake valve closing point.

Some of those computers are using this:
New HP = old HP X (boost + ATM)/ATM
Example: HP = 100 HP X (14.7 + 14.7)/14.7 = 200 HP
This is nonsense, and comes close only by accident.

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My car made 400 on motor and 650 w/ 10psi. I believe I ran out fuel pump because the chart almost flatlined at the top, didn't keep climbing. I only had the Aeromotive 340 stealth pump during my tune.
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Old May 24, 2016 | 06:38 PM
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I must be getting something wrong with my numbers. I see people posting getting 9.6-9.8 CR with -10 cc piston and 72cc heads. Am I doing something wrong? Have been using Wallace racing and diamond racing calculators. Also plan on using brute speed blower cam.

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My heads have been milled 2x, if you saw my thread. I was guessing they're 71 or 70 cc now instead of 72.
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Old May 24, 2016 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike 02T/A
My heads have been milled 2x, if you saw my thread. I was guessing they're 71 or 70 cc now instead of 72.
I read through some of your thread, but you are running a 383 right?
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Old May 24, 2016 | 08:26 PM
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Thanks for the Info. I have decided on the scat I beams and Wiseco 3.905,-3.2 dish, LS9 gasket and prc 225 cc head with a 62cc chamber. Used diamond racing and Wallace racing calculator and got 10.2-10.3 CR with that setup.
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Originally Posted by Firehawk173
Thanks for the Info. I have decided on the scat I beams and Wiseco 3.905,-3.2 dish, LS9 gasket and prc 225 cc head with a 62cc chamber. Used diamond racing and Wallace racing calculator and got 10.2-10.3 CR with that setup.
That will be nice to drive around out of boost and part throttle. D1 head unit ?
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For 93 octane 10.2:1 minimum.
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Old May 25, 2016 | 06:19 AM
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Yeah a D1 haven't decided FMIC or the twin 4.5 yet.
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FMIC is the only way to go
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Old May 25, 2016 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Detoxx03
FMIC is the only way to go
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Originally Posted by Firehawk173
I read through some of your thread, but you are running a 383 right?
Yes, it's the TMS 383.
Def go with the FMIC.
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I wouldn't use an off the shelf cam in a really good build like this. jmo.
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Originally Posted by handyandy496
I wouldn't use an off the shelf cam in a really good build like this. jmo.
Thanks for the advice will call around when I get to that point.
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