Supercharger or turbo for street racing a 6 speed ?
#121
Most all of them have the capability, some call it temporary overboost, scramble mode, etc.. AEM, eboost, NLR, etc just depends how much you want to spend. I like the built in Holley controller but they all seem to use the same solenoid. The solenoid defaults to normally open so its whatever your wastegate spring pressure is. The only failures I've seen are from dipshits installing a controller and cranking the boost over what the engine or fuel system can handle. You use the controller to control the solenoid duty cycle which restricts the boost signal to the wastegate so you can run more boost then the spring pressure. Blocking the boost signal until desired boost is reached usually results in faster spool as well.
I wouldn't mind having just a couple settings. (6 lbs./10 lbs./12-13 lbs. on a button perhaps)
I'd be curious to know how it helps the turbo spool faster as well.
#122
"more boost then the spring pressure." I don't understand. It goes above spring pressure boost then reverts to spring boost? How much more boost and for how long until it reverts back to spring pressure boost?
#123
That's what I've learned recently as well, faster spool and a some incorporate an O2 sensor to cut boost when the engine goes lean which I like.
I wouldn't mind having just a couple settings. (6 lbs./10 lbs./12-13 lbs. on a button perhaps)
I'd be curious to know how it helps the turbo spool faster as well.
I wouldn't mind having just a couple settings. (6 lbs./10 lbs./12-13 lbs. on a button perhaps)
I'd be curious to know how it helps the turbo spool faster as well.
It helps spool because its blocking the boost signal from the wastegate until your desired setting. If you run a normal vacuum line to your wastegate it will start to crack before the total open pressure which slows spool. You can also add boost pressure to the top port to keep the wastegate closed, sometimes in a high backpressure setup can lead to slow spool.
The point of a boost controller is to run higher boost then your installed spring pressure, pretty much boost 101. Multiple ways to set these up with 3 port, 4 port, dual solenoids, etc.. Either way the solenoid makes the wastegate "see" less pressure on the bottom "opening side" port by bleeding some off from the pressure source. Other setups add the boost pressure to the top "closing side" port to clamp the wastegate shut until desired boost level is reached. When you have a safety setup then it can revert to spring pressure, and if its tied into software it can also pull timing or totally cut ignition in an overboost situation.
#124
You keep saying higher boost then it changes to spring boost. Why? I thought a boost controller would put the boost wherever you wanted it whether it was higher than or equal to spring pressure. It did not have to revert to spring pressure which you imply by saying "run higher boost then your installed spring pressure."
#125
You keep saying higher boost then it changes to spring boost. Why? I thought a boost controller would put the boost wherever you wanted it whether it was higher than or equal to spring pressure. It did not have to revert to spring pressure which you imply by saying "run higher boost then your installed spring pressure."
For example you can have 3 boost settings even with a cheap controller: controller off - spring pressure, setting 1 - 50% duty cycle (~1.5x spring pressure) and setting 2 - 100% duty cycle (2x spring pressure). During setting 1 or 2, if you have a safety setup (oil-fuel-A/F,etc) on the controller it can revert to spring pressure to help save the engine.
But really we have been able to get 35PSI out of even 12lb springs with a controller set the bottom port so the 2x rule isn't set in stone, just a guideline.
#126
To add to that, boost controllers work by adding pressure to the top of the wastegate (ie increasing spring pressure) or by bleeding boost off to the bottom so that the gate is sort of fooled into thinking the system is seeing less pressure. Controllers cannot, due to mechanics, go below spring pressure.
#128
Nope that's a big part of it and what 90+% of people on here do, but just get a smaller turbo and it will spool instantly and still make more then most blower setups without any belt slip... I know my T7878 makes more power sooner at the same boost level as any of my procharged setups, so I don't know why it wouldn't be used for auto-x or something else.
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#130
Nope that's a big part of it and what 90+% of people on here do, but just get a smaller turbo and it will spool instantly and still make more then most blower setups without any belt slip... I know my T7878 makes more power sooner at the same boost level as any of my procharged setups, so I don't know why it wouldn't be used for auto-x or something else.
I've raced multiple turbo cars in auto-x as well as road races, hardly an issue. Do some data logging and you can dial in the setup nicely.
#131
Fastest cars in the world... And check out that TURBO.... LMAO Wouldn't want to use a blower because of belt slip, rob power and slower then turbo car. Blower cars can't be faster then a turbo and they are just So..... Inefficient. 😃😄😅🤣😂
Last edited by 2BAD4U; 06-29-2017 at 02:24 PM.
#132
Post's terrible picture of all out race car that gets torn down and rebuilt every pass LOL... I can't count how many times I watch those guys throw blower belts while making a pass....
"Take that you 9 second turbo street cars!!!"
"Take that you 9 second turbo street cars!!!"
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Top fuel dragsters run turbos too.....oh wait!!!!!