Smallest twin for 5.7 ls1 swap
Sounds like you're still dumb
Well comprehension classes are probably cheaper to. You need those the most.
That car as many are was in several different configurations.
You have 2hrs to get it done. Pulled in shop to backed put and tuned ready to race.
I'm not gonna have $3500 in my engine. No reason to spend 3k on heads to me. I certainly ain't gonna .
Cool....tell snail0.5 how slow his car is then. He literally gets railed by 114 cars.
Btw.....you dumb enough to ignore where i said i like turbos. I just don't think the 550hp turbo build op was wanting was the right way to go for that particular car.
Well comprehension classes are probably cheaper to. You need those the most.
To be fair I can use name brand stuff and still do a turbo setup cheaper then any sort of decently powerful NA car.
Lets make a low effort list with minimal fabrication using name brand parts:
Holley turbo manifolds - $470
Holley Crossover - $212
Precision 66 Wastegate - $510
Tial bov $260
Treadstone intercooler - $315
Borg S480 - $1200
Box of silicone couplers, fittings, and tubing as needed, call it $500 to cover it all.
There ya got about $3500 which compared to any NA setup is cheap! Lots of guys spend $3k on heads alone, not to mention all the other trinkets to milk out small gains on NA builds.
I could do a twin turbo setup as well. AGP cast turbo adapters are $500 and bolt to stock manifolds and have flanges for turbo and wastegate. Two 40mm gates same cost as one 66, a pair of 62mm turbos same as S480 basically, a dual inlet intercooler. Really a wash either way you wanna do it to easily make double what an NA build would make at even twice the budget.
But like you said plenty of budget stuff to do it substantially cheaper! So its not even a comparison to an NA build.
Lets make a low effort list with minimal fabrication using name brand parts:
Holley turbo manifolds - $470
Holley Crossover - $212
Precision 66 Wastegate - $510
Tial bov $260
Treadstone intercooler - $315
Borg S480 - $1200
Box of silicone couplers, fittings, and tubing as needed, call it $500 to cover it all.
There ya got about $3500 which compared to any NA setup is cheap! Lots of guys spend $3k on heads alone, not to mention all the other trinkets to milk out small gains on NA builds.
I could do a twin turbo setup as well. AGP cast turbo adapters are $500 and bolt to stock manifolds and have flanges for turbo and wastegate. Two 40mm gates same cost as one 66, a pair of 62mm turbos same as S480 basically, a dual inlet intercooler. Really a wash either way you wanna do it to easily make double what an NA build would make at even twice the budget.
But like you said plenty of budget stuff to do it substantially cheaper! So its not even a comparison to an NA build.
Yes, only way I could make it sort of fair! But I have done similar builds with flowtech, xs-power, huronspeed, etc.. manifolds and with many of those same parts its an easy path to 1000+hp. Considering the NA builds are barely breaking 500hp I know which route I would take. Both setups T6 single and twins I've seen 150mph on gate and faster with boost adjusted from the drivers seat, so that's why I call 130MPH slow as a turbo car literally cant even go that slow. Even my baby Chinese T4 single trapped 145MPH and that's about as small as a turbo as I'd ever run on anything, plus timing was in the dirt and it wasn't beating up parts like an NA build.
Btw.....you dumb enough to ignore where i said i like turbos. I just don't think the 550hp turbo build op was wanting was the right way to go for that particular car.
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From: Hawthorne CA
Sorry all, didnt want to spark a too lively debate. I should have said though i can get all hotside piping and possibly cold side for nothing. So hoping all will cost me is bov, wg, oil feed line, intercooler, injectors plugs and hoses. I realise it could spiral but thinking this would be waaay cheaper than a na 500whp drivable build. Already have turbo for £100. Maybe springs and rods if cost allows but wont be pushing high numbers anyway as would never get power down.
Sometimes its just for acheivement as well as never done turbo install. Will self tune with efilive i already have.
Unless someone could say otherwise.
Regards
Gav
Sometimes its just for acheivement as well as never done turbo install. Will self tune with efilive i already have.
Unless someone could say otherwise.
Regards
Gav
Ive been the one doing the railing. Most all of you have just veered off course about a 5.3/4.8 (which op doesn't have)and building turbo systems in 2 hrs. You completely overlooked op goals of acceleration.....which there was none. And from his reply he's not even interested in going that fast.
You don't win arguments doing dumb **** like that.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
You have 2hrs to get it done. Pulled in shop to backed put and tuned ready to race.
:j est::jes t:
Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I'm not gonna have $3500 in my engine. No reason to spend 3k on heads to me. I certainly ain't gonna .
The owner of the dyno you use must really like you to be giving you the correction factor that he has.
When you've started trapping 150s on a $2500 N/A setup, something you say MIGHT be relevant here.
Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Ive been the one doing the railing. Most all of you have just veered off course about a 5.3/4.8 (which op doesn't have)and building turbo systems in 2 hrs. You completely overlooked op goals of acceleration.....which there was none. And from his reply he's not even interested in going that fast.
You don't win arguments doing dumb **** like that.
You don't win arguments doing dumb **** like that.
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From: ohio
There definately seems to be a buffoon in every forum. The car forum that has an idiot that likes to argue about politics, the Rx7 forum that thought it was absolutely stupid to ls1 a second and third generation RX7, because more power could be made reliably with a rotary engine. The Lincoln forum thought blasphemy when I put the ls1 in the mark viiLSC, and argued that the 302 was better. The Mercedes forums hated my lq4 R129 sl600 because I ripped out the POS v12 and dropped a van engine and trans in.
Now there is an inside forum fool who jumps sections to proclaim that it can make more reliable hp at the 550whp level NA than the guys who have done this 15 plus years ago with turbos. I call this silverHo out for the challenge. I need to see this reliable street mannered 550whp ls1. They are still looking for Bigfoot as well.
Now there is an inside forum fool who jumps sections to proclaim that it can make more reliable hp at the 550whp level NA than the guys who have done this 15 plus years ago with turbos. I call this silverHo out for the challenge. I need to see this reliable street mannered 550whp ls1. They are still looking for Bigfoot as well.
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From: MIAMI
There definately seems to be a buffoon in every forum. The car forum that has an idiot that likes to argue about politics, the Rx7 forum that thought it was absolutely stupid to ls1 a second and third generation RX7, because more power could be made reliably with a rotary engine. The Lincoln forum thought blasphemy when I put the ls1 in the mark viiLSC, and argued that the 302 was better. The Mercedes forums hated my lq4 R129 sl600 because I ripped out the POS v12 and dropped a van engine and trans in.
Now there is an inside forum fool who jumps sections to proclaim that it can make more reliable hp at the 550whp level NA than the guys who have done this 15 plus years ago with turbos. I call this silverHo out for the challenge. I need to see this reliable street mannered 550whp ls1. They are still looking for Bigfoot as well.
Now there is an inside forum fool who jumps sections to proclaim that it can make more reliable hp at the 550whp level NA than the guys who have done this 15 plus years ago with turbos. I call this silverHo out for the challenge. I need to see this reliable street mannered 550whp ls1. They are still looking for Bigfoot as well.
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From: Crossfield, AB
Even if it takes me the whole day, how long is your slow junk going to sit in the machine shop being finished by someone else just to be slower than my 6 hour project.
:j est::jes t:
I think its funny how you expect to make more power than Darth did by half-assing his setup.
The owner of the dyno you use must really like you to be giving you the correction factor that he has.
When you've started trapping 150s on a $2500 N/A setup, something you say MIGHT be relevant here.
:j est::jes t: I think its funny how you expect to make more power than Darth did by half-assing his setup.
The owner of the dyno you use must really like you to be giving you the correction factor that he has.
When you've started trapping 150s on a $2500 N/A setup, something you say MIGHT be relevant here.
So now it's a 6hr project.....lol. what happened to those 2 hrs?
Full kit built installed tuned and ready for a pass. By 1 man. You have 2hrs....get it done.
Include time you order the parts to. Because that's all part of it.....unless yall in some time warp where that dont matter. I mostly want that time documented for my own lulz tho.
There definately seems to be a buffoon in every forum. The car forum that has an idiot that likes to argue about politics, the Rx7 forum that thought it was absolutely stupid to ls1 a second and third generation RX7, because more power could be made reliably with a rotary engine. The Lincoln forum thought blasphemy when I put the ls1 in the mark viiLSC, and argued that the 302 was better. The Mercedes forums hated my lq4 R129 sl600 because I ripped out the POS v12 and dropped a van engine and trans in.
Now there is an inside forum fool who jumps sections to proclaim that it can make more reliable hp at the 550whp level NA than the guys who have done this 15 plus years ago with turbos. I call this silverHo out for the challenge. I need to see this reliable street mannered 550whp ls1. They are still looking for Bigfoot as well.
Now there is an inside forum fool who jumps sections to proclaim that it can make more reliable hp at the 550whp level NA than the guys who have done this 15 plus years ago with turbos. I call this silverHo out for the challenge. I need to see this reliable street mannered 550whp ls1. They are still looking for Bigfoot as well.
Turn to **** from there by mouth breathers being in full defense of their sister wives.
W/o a doubt i am right for op's goal of 550whp.
You do seem to have that issue. It's why you block me....you don't want the troof.
The NA motor doesn't make the torque that the boosted motor does and typically has a narrower powerband......all to say the acceleration is slower.
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From: Hawthorne CA
So In reality it doesn’t matter what the op’s acceleration goals are, since a boosted setup will out do it, just like it will out do everything else? Interesting....
It seems to happen at us41 about once a year.
You showed us how to run 19s with 900+ whp.
How is that a magic question?
What was wrong with your boosted h/c junk? It was a complete turd for what it was.
Acceleration goals always matter.
Op said he's not really interested in running 10s or 9s......but if you tt a 2500lb car with a ls1 in it you're gonna run 9s. And tgat wouldn't even be hard in HIS car na. So there was the reasoning to asking. Now if he boosts it and still only runs 10s like several others in here i would say that's a waste of effort.
Op said he's not really interested in running 10s or 9s......but if you tt a 2500lb car with a ls1 in it you're gonna run 9s. And tgat wouldn't even be hard in HIS car na. So there was the reasoning to asking. Now if he boosts it and still only runs 10s like several others in here i would say that's a waste of effort.