Meth Injection
09-29-2017, 09:26 PM
#41
All those saying that pure meth is the only way to go are EXTREMELY foolish.
Pure meth is perfect for a forged piston setup with safe ring gaps.
Water cools far more than meth could ever hope to, and guys on stock cast pistons and stock ring gaps would benefit a great deal from using water to keep combustion temps down. Spraying pure meth might keep detonation at bay, but its not going to help keep those rings from butting together or a ring land from breaking. Water WILL.
Pure meth won't corrode your aluminum or your silicone couplers anytime soon. You would need to run about 50 gallons of pure meth through there before you will be able to even see any signs of use.
Pure meth is perfect for a forged piston setup with safe ring gaps.
Water cools far more than meth could ever hope to, and guys on stock cast pistons and stock ring gaps would benefit a great deal from using water to keep combustion temps down. Spraying pure meth might keep detonation at bay, but its not going to help keep those rings from butting together or a ring land from breaking. Water WILL.
Pure meth won't corrode your aluminum or your silicone couplers anytime soon. You would need to run about 50 gallons of pure meth through there before you will be able to even see any signs of use.
09-30-2017, 08:19 AM
#42
The fastest drag cars on the planet are called TOP FUEL. The fastest ones run Nitromethane usually cut with some Methanol, 10-20% or so ( so im told )
The second fastest class in TOP FUEL run straight methanol.
CART ( indy cars ) only ran Methanol for the entire 25+ years of racing.
I guess they are all extremely foolish
The second fastest class in TOP FUEL run straight methanol.
CART ( indy cars ) only ran Methanol for the entire 25+ years of racing.
I guess they are all extremely foolish
09-30-2017, 02:55 PM
#43
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The fastest drag cars on the planet are called TOP FUEL. The fastest ones run Nitromethane usually cut with some Methanol, 10-20% or so ( so im told )
The second fastest class in TOP FUEL run straight methanol.
CART ( indy cars ) only ran Methanol for the entire 25+ years of racing.
I guess they are all extremely foolish
The second fastest class in TOP FUEL run straight methanol.
CART ( indy cars ) only ran Methanol for the entire 25+ years of racing.
I guess they are all extremely foolish
09-30-2017, 03:36 PM
#44
The fastest drag cars on the planet are called TOP FUEL. The fastest ones run Nitromethane usually cut with some Methanol, 10-20% or so ( so im told )
The second fastest class in TOP FUEL run straight methanol.
CART ( indy cars ) only ran Methanol for the entire 25+ years of racing.
I guess they are all extremely foolish
The second fastest class in TOP FUEL run straight methanol.
CART ( indy cars ) only ran Methanol for the entire 25+ years of racing.
I guess they are all extremely foolish
Curious, why does gas exist if methanol is better?
09-30-2017, 04:47 PM
#45
Points get missed all the time, but what I posted is true.
Why gas? Why propane? Why natural gas? Why Coal? Why electricity? Why anything? It is what it is and the market presented options and we historically chose them due to supply and demand and here we are. Gas has a lot higher specific gravity than alc too so you get more range on the same volume plus non corrosive, non hygroscopic, plus easy to refine and looks like it made more people rich than methanol did so here we are.
That said if im going ballz out racing? Id run nitro and methane. As do the fastest cars, who eat engine parts one piston per pass usually. If you want to go fastest you are going to break a ton of parts. Its not about better, its about potential and in a boosted application STRAIGHT METH whoops gas because it has more potential due to its high octane and evap heat loss effects.
That said there have been some fast SBE LS builds on straight meth too. E85 holds the current crown, so we are told at least
Why gas? Why propane? Why natural gas? Why Coal? Why electricity? Why anything? It is what it is and the market presented options and we historically chose them due to supply and demand and here we are. Gas has a lot higher specific gravity than alc too so you get more range on the same volume plus non corrosive, non hygroscopic, plus easy to refine and looks like it made more people rich than methanol did so here we are.
That said if im going ballz out racing? Id run nitro and methane. As do the fastest cars, who eat engine parts one piston per pass usually. If you want to go fastest you are going to break a ton of parts. Its not about better, its about potential and in a boosted application STRAIGHT METH whoops gas because it has more potential due to its high octane and evap heat loss effects.
That said there have been some fast SBE LS builds on straight meth too. E85 holds the current crown, so we are told at least
09-30-2017, 09:52 PM
#46
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Points get missed all the time, but what I posted is true.
Why gas? Why propane? Why natural gas? Why Coal? Why electricity? Why anything? It is what it is and the market presented options and we historically chose them due to supply and demand and here we are. Gas has a lot higher specific gravity than alc too so you get more range on the same volume plus non corrosive, non hygroscopic, plus easy to refine and looks like it made more people rich than methanol did so here we are.
That said if im going ballz out racing? Id run nitro and methane. As do the fastest cars, who eat engine parts one piston per pass usually. If you want to go fastest you are going to break a ton of parts. Its not about better, its about potential and in a boosted application STRAIGHT METH whoops gas because it has more potential due to its high octane and evap heat loss effects.
That said there have been some fast SBE LS builds on straight meth too. E85 holds the current crown, so we are told at least
Why gas? Why propane? Why natural gas? Why Coal? Why electricity? Why anything? It is what it is and the market presented options and we historically chose them due to supply and demand and here we are. Gas has a lot higher specific gravity than alc too so you get more range on the same volume plus non corrosive, non hygroscopic, plus easy to refine and looks like it made more people rich than methanol did so here we are.
That said if im going ballz out racing? Id run nitro and methane. As do the fastest cars, who eat engine parts one piston per pass usually. If you want to go fastest you are going to break a ton of parts. Its not about better, its about potential and in a boosted application STRAIGHT METH whoops gas because it has more potential due to its high octane and evap heat loss effects.
That said there have been some fast SBE LS builds on straight meth too. E85 holds the current crown, so we are told at least
10-01-2017, 01:15 PM
#48
I think all joe was trying to say is, get a frying pan really hot (1200*F~) and if you had a choice of hitting it with a spritz of methanol or water, but you had to stand right next to it and touch it afterwards when you do it, which one would you rather choose... hint: one of those would potentially remove all hair from your ...
10-01-2017, 01:30 PM
#49
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10-01-2017, 07:57 PM
#52
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Your still arguing for running straight methanol in a topic about methanol injection....
We all understand methanol is better than gasoline. There no arguing that. I was simply saying that running straight methanol vs running a water/meth mix is a situational thing and straight meth is NOT always the clear choice.
You want to come in here saying don't use gasoline at all and to run pure methanol in everything is the way to go.
Special Olympics much?
We all understand methanol is better than gasoline. There no arguing that. I was simply saying that running straight methanol vs running a water/meth mix is a situational thing and straight meth is NOT always the clear choice.
You want to come in here saying don't use gasoline at all and to run pure methanol in everything is the way to go.
Special Olympics much?
10-01-2017, 08:22 PM
#53
Originally Posted by JoeNova
Your still arguing for running straight methanol in a topic about methanol injection....
We all understand methanol is better than gasoline. There no arguing that. I was simply saying that running straight methanol vs running a water/meth mix is a situational thing and straight meth is NOT always the clear choice.
You want to come in here saying don't use gasoline at all and to run pure methanol in everything is the way to go.
Special Olympics much?
We all understand methanol is better than gasoline. There no arguing that. I was simply saying that running straight methanol vs running a water/meth mix is a situational thing and straight meth is NOT always the clear choice.
You want to come in here saying don't use gasoline at all and to run pure methanol in everything is the way to go.
Special Olympics much?
10-01-2017, 10:02 PM
#54
I run 50/50 and I believe that's what lets me get away with 13lbs on a SBE with un touched ring gaps. But ,if I had a forged lower end, I would probably run pure meth ( and a lot more of it)
10-01-2017, 10:46 PM
#55
Only you would appreciate this. The conundrum of 'not liking' somebody on the internet and having them agree with a point you made makes it difficult to accuse them of being investigative. Actually if the point is valid (or there is truth to it) the situation becomes perverse as disagreement over core values may seem like disagreement over the issue at hand.
Its really just a high form of entertainment
Its fun to play the 'other side' (the less popular side) "devils advocate" with 'insane examples'