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People run 8's on stock bottom end 4.8/5.3's and stock manifolds that don't blow up like the fast. Without a comparison of another intake manifold, even a stock one, all this is is eye candy. Pretty shady to claim word of mouth is all that's needed. Feel free to read this thread for reference.
I have na 6 gen camaro bolt ons, my intake, and a cam running 10's all day long
I do have Honda's running in the high 7's (pro street fwd circuit) as well.
The thing with 417 intercooler is all you people have some obsession with billet thinking it is better.
For one they are lying their *** off about it being a 1500hp intercooler core.
1500whp intercooler core from bell is 8.1" wide, 15" long and 3" thick. I run this all the time, it is on one of my baddest car's Roho Snyper who is so happy with my first intake that he is going to have me do a Hemi for him soon.
The dink *** core that is in the 417 if you take off the endtanks looks to be maybe 5" wide, 12" long and 2" thick (more like a 750hp core). I haven't see one in my hands to measure but I'm just calling it like it is. Other intercooled intake manifold companies, even the big ones (MMR) lie their asses off about the size of their cores. MMR claims 2000hp intercooler intercooled but in reality it is a Garrett 1000 core at 4.75x 4.75 x 11.5
The smallest core I run of all is 15" LONG, 5.1" wide and 3" thick, I tell the customer the honest truth it is rated to 1200hp but should be able to do 1500 just fine
How an air to water core works
csa of the face determins max cfm
thickness the air is flowing determines effeciency
HOWEVER, if you are unable to get total air volume the same with thickness you can substitute more csa so that you have overall the same amount of air volume, this just comes at a slightly greater pressure drop.
Texas Mile Car I built is aiming for 2k whp through th400, that is this weekend... I'm sure he'll have the ultimate in intercooler effeciency from me. Just remember that every intake I build esp the intercooled ones are built to the customers needs. So no there will be no comparison data against anything else and no it likely would perform very differently for you.
It's a 5.0 Coyote Bear Block built to rev nearly 10k rpm, customer told me set runner length so he can stretch it to 9500rpm before hp drop off (came out to 4.125" runner length). His core is 9.1" x 15.5 x 3 rated at 2700hp, should do good to about 2200-2300hp at ground through th400.
And now your going to ask for dynos. Understand that it is virtually impossible to dyno power in that range and redicoulously dangerous. You won't see them cause if they even get a chance to dyno any before the mile it will only be low boost up to roughly 1000whp
I don't recall asking for dyno numbers in my post, did I? I apologize if I did. We are asking for a comparison. Your post above has literally no information about comparisons. There's more than 1 type of comparison. You can take a car to the drag strip and run back to back passes swapping intakes. You could show 2 logs of the same car with no changes other than the intake and show the drop in boost due to the better intake or fuel consumption increase. More than 1 way to skin a cat. But just saying we have ABC cars running XYZ isn't going to prove anything.
Custom 1500hp air water i did for a direct drive vortec car owned by Jason Rice
89.9F post intercooler temps
Core 8.5 x 15.5 x 3 thick. Flowing width wise not length, single pass with 2x 1"npt inlet and outlet. Car was going to be a mile car thus the huge amount of water flow. He lost the car in hurricane Harvey though
Custom 1500hp air water i did for a direct drive vortec car owned by Jason Rice
89.9F post intercooler temps
Core 8.5 x 15.5 x 3 thick. Flowing width wise not length, single pass with 2x 1"npt inlet and outlet. Car was going to be a mile car thus the huge amount of water flow. He lost the car in hurricane Harvey though
Congrats, your intake does roughly the same thing as 50 other companies out there that sell fabricated or billet intakes, and has similar results as some of the stock LS intakes with an external A/W intercooler.
And the fact that most companies seem to rate their IC/intake flow by HP based on CFM is hilarious, since CFM and PSI have no direct relationship with eachother. You could make 5000 HP through a drinking straw as long as pressure was high enough.
But how does it stack up against the competition? We're just asking for a comparison. When someone releases a shiny new toy, some interested parties might want an incentive other than "its shiny and worked for someone".
Congrats, your intake does roughly the same thing as 50 other companies out there that sell fabricated or billet intakes, and has similar results as some of the stock LS intakes with an external A/W intercooler.
And the fact that most companies seem to rate their IC/intake flow by HP based on CFM is hilarious, since CFM and PSI have no direct relationship with eachother. You could make 5000 HP through a drinking straw as long as pressure was high enough.
But how does it stack up against the competition? We're just asking for a comparison. When someone releases a shiny new toy, some interested parties might want an incentive other than "its shiny and worked for someone".
Show me one company that will build a custom air water for your engine for $2500 and actually work.
The 417 core was over 2k and didn't even work....
You can't even buy a custom too engine non ic manifold for 2500....
I'm hardly worried about the opinions of 10 second cars making 600-700 hp
most of my clients are big hp clients or shops that already know whats up, I have a 454 ls7 supervette nearly 1000hp na getting my ls7 hi ram when i finish it up next week.
with all that said
Albert Gamboa's beautiful vette the day he ran 8.87 @ 147 mph (killed his blower around the 1000ft mark, ate a nut/bolt from the bellmouth) car would have easily ran 160mph
Next time buddy!
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Sign #1 of a shady vendor....posting how amazing a product is with no concrete data.
Sign #2....attacking members who don't automatically accept vendors word as gospel.
Sign #3....woulda shoulda coulda ran XYZ number had abc not happened (aka blower breaking).
Sign #1 of a shady vendor....posting how amazing a product is with no concrete data.
Sign #2....attacking members who don't automatically accept vendors word as gospel.
Sign #3....woulda shoulda coulda ran XYZ number had abc not happened (aka blower breaking).
Your opinion is invalid, you only make 700whp. See post #53
If he can sell them faster than he can make them, why would he care if you want to dyno test one? lol
That being said, would also be curious on testing results, they sure look sweet.....
I'm hardly worried about the opinions of 10 second cars making 600-700 hp
most of my clients are big hp clients or shops that already know whats up, I have a 454 ls7 supervette nearly 1000hp na getting my ls7 hi ram when i finish it up next week.
with all that said
Albert Gamboa's beautiful vette the day he ran 8.87 @ 147 mph (killed his blower around the 1000ft mark, ate a nut/bolt from the bellmouth) car would have easily ran 160mph
Next time buddy!
All we are asking for is a simple test, not your list of excuses.
Good thing I don't run 10's and easily make over 1000hp on peasant parts. I tune lots of cars and see results from numerous products, unfortunately a lot of them aren't worth it. All we are asking for is to justify the $2000 premium over a Holley hi-ram which many of us already have and shown the gains over a stock manifold.
lol I cant wait to see the dyno or results of this 1000hp NA monster!
Originally Posted by Game ova
Man....you guys are brutal lol. Gonna have to work for these sales op, hopefully you will succeed in proving that you have a superior product.
If the truth is brutal... so be it!
Originally Posted by ddnspider
Sign #1 of a shady vendor....posting how amazing a product is with no concrete data.
Sign #2....attacking members who don't automatically accept vendors word as gospel.
Sign #3....woulda shoulda coulda ran XYZ number had abc not happened (aka blower breaking).
x2 all I hear are excuses.
Honestly his intake doesn't look all that much different then the Holley Sniper that's available for $500 which we've made 1000+whp with. So while his product may work, its priced 5 times higher then the competition.
All we are asking for is a simple test, not your list of excuses.
Good thing I don't run 10's and easily make over 1000hp on peasant parts. I tune lots of cars and see results from numerous products, unfortunately a lot of them aren't worth it. All we are asking for is to justify the $2000 premium over a Holley hi-ram which many of us already have and shown the gains over a stock manifold.
lol I cant wait to see the dyno or results of this 1000hp NA monster!
If the truth is brutal... so be it!
x2 all I hear are excuses.
Honestly his intake doesn't look all that much different then the Holley Sniper that's available for $500 which we've made 1000+whp with. So while his product may work, its priced 5 times higher then the competition.
Only my intercooled intakes start at 2500. My hi ram is $1560, double the cost of the holley hi ram
Made in China vs made in USA cost of manufacturing differences. Sorry i won't shovel **** for $2 a hour. You prefer to support China that's on you.
My bad, only double the price. Does your intake produce double the gains? If yours makes even 20hp more it could be worth it for some people, but they need to see it.
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