Huron Speed Gen 5 single turbo kit
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Huron Speed Gen 5 single turbo kit Ok, so who has installed one of these?
I see it is discontinued, and when I went to look for instructions on how to install, they were not available.
I have a 2010 in the shop with this kit.
It appears to have had the DEI heat protection kit installed.
The following was burnt to a crisp.....
1. Main wiring harness from the PCM to the engine which runs under the pass side manifold exit.
2. Heater hoses.....ditto on the routing.
3. Fuel line......runs right next to the manifold, the extra heat insulation burned to a crisp.
4. Drivers side AC line burned through.......surprised it didn't catch fire.
5. Main batt cable burned through.......
6. Coolant sensor melted into a blob.
7. Fancy plug wires burnt to a crisp.
8. Alternator connector melted into a blob.
9. Cooling fans melted
10. Turbo oil drain runs into the frame and kinks......it wasn't AN line, it was heater hose.....
Really?
I've rebuilt this kit the best I can.
Moved the main harness to above the manifold.
Built a heat shield for the PCM.
Moved the heater hoses.
Moved the AC lines.
Moved the main batt cable.
Trimmed the fan structure a bunch.
Added real heat wrap to the exh plumbing.
It still burnt a plug wire.
Perhaps why it was removed from the market?
Lastly, plug changes? Basically impossible w/o removing the manifolds. Reading plugs on the dyno?
Forget it unless you do just two pulls per day....and then maybe you can look at one or two.
Arrgh.....
I see it is discontinued, and when I went to look for instructions on how to install, they were not available.
I have a 2010 in the shop with this kit.
It appears to have had the DEI heat protection kit installed.
The following was burnt to a crisp.....
1. Main wiring harness from the PCM to the engine which runs under the pass side manifold exit.
2. Heater hoses.....ditto on the routing.
3. Fuel line......runs right next to the manifold, the extra heat insulation burned to a crisp.
4. Drivers side AC line burned through.......surprised it didn't catch fire.
5. Main batt cable burned through.......
6. Coolant sensor melted into a blob.
7. Fancy plug wires burnt to a crisp.
8. Alternator connector melted into a blob.
9. Cooling fans melted
10. Turbo oil drain runs into the frame and kinks......it wasn't AN line, it was heater hose.....
Really?
I've rebuilt this kit the best I can.
Moved the main harness to above the manifold.
Built a heat shield for the PCM.
Moved the heater hoses.
Moved the AC lines.
Moved the main batt cable.
Trimmed the fan structure a bunch.
Added real heat wrap to the exh plumbing.
It still burnt a plug wire.
Perhaps why it was removed from the market?
Lastly, plug changes? Basically impossible w/o removing the manifolds. Reading plugs on the dyno?
Forget it unless you do just two pulls per day....and then maybe you can look at one or two.
Arrgh.....
I used the 5th gen kit on a G8 without issue. Was obvious to me when installing to move things away from the heat. The fitment and build quality of the hotside was much nicer then other kits I’ve seen recently selling for a lot more money.
I have my kit ceramic coated and I wrapped the hotparts.
I alao used heat heat protection on the heater hoses and A/c lines.
Sounds like whoever installed it didn't do a good job.
You can change the plugs on the driver's side if you drop the downpipe and remove it, and pass side can be changed from underneath. Impossible to do from the top side as you mentioned.
i have maybe 750 mikes on my kit... I'm on my 5th or 6th set of plug wires.
I alao used heat heat protection on the heater hoses and A/c lines.
Sounds like whoever installed it didn't do a good job.
You can change the plugs on the driver's side if you drop the downpipe and remove it, and pass side can be changed from underneath. Impossible to do from the top side as you mentioned.
i have maybe 750 mikes on my kit... I'm on my 5th or 6th set of plug wires.
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Verdad Gallardo My old Phamspeed kit never had issues with melting stuff and kept the stock puller fans once you trimmed the shroud. No custom power steering lines, no brake line issues, used stock manifolds or Shorty's with stock plug access. Only downside to that kit was ground clearance but that was before people were really doing tubular k members.
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Thanks guys.
it has PCM of NC plug wires. #1 fried on the dyno. It was laying on the Vband. Precious little space there due to the coolant temp sensor occupying the same space. At least that’s one I could get off. I’ve got a temporary wire on it now.
The manifolds on this car are not coated.
The car came from Florida.
it has PCM of NC plug wires. #1 fried on the dyno. It was laying on the Vband. Precious little space there due to the coolant temp sensor occupying the same space. At least that’s one I could get off. I’ve got a temporary wire on it now.
The manifolds on this car are not coated.
The car came from Florida.
I have gone 4 times to the dyno and battled burnt plug wires... did 600rwhp, then next time did 650rwhp, then did 700rwhp.
i then removed the air filter, put in cutouts, and dumped the wg to atmosphere... made 817rwhp but had a slipping clutch and burnt plug wires again.
probably gonna relocate the coils this winter.
i then removed the air filter, put in cutouts, and dumped the wg to atmosphere... made 817rwhp but had a slipping clutch and burnt plug wires again.
probably gonna relocate the coils this winter.
Thanks guys.
it has PCM of NC plug wires. #1 fried on the dyno. It was laying on the Vband. Precious little space there due to the coolant temp sensor occupying the same space. At least that’s one I could get off. I’ve got a temporary wire on it now.
The manifolds on this car are not coated.
The car came from Florida.
it has PCM of NC plug wires. #1 fried on the dyno. It was laying on the Vband. Precious little space there due to the coolant temp sensor occupying the same space. At least that’s one I could get off. I’ve got a temporary wire on it now.
The manifolds on this car are not coated.
The car came from Florida.
I agree with you when you pay someone to do a job it should be done right. But it's 2017 and a lot of shops cut corners unfortunately for bigger profits. That's why I do my own work and it's one of those things like we hope the kits don't need much extra work because that's when things don't get covered by a shop.
You could have contacted us directly and I would have helped as best as possible, I would have been happy to help with some tips.
It does sound like the install was not done properly. The kit came with extensive heat protection, AN lines for feed and drain, and detailed instructions on how to route items to protect from heat, which sounds like none was done and the non AN lines also make me wonder. I changed plugs without ever removing manifolds many times. There are many items that you listed that baffle me as to how they melted. I understand stuff is tight, however some stuff mentioned should not be in question. Are you sure the kit was not modified or even ours?
We fabricated a much nicer, easier to install, more power capable, and kept heat away from the front twin system. With that there is no reason to have the single kit anymore which is why we discontinued it. The new kit is far superior in all aspects.
If you have any questions or would like any help please feel free to ask!
Jon@HuronSpeed.com
Jon
It does sound like the install was not done properly. The kit came with extensive heat protection, AN lines for feed and drain, and detailed instructions on how to route items to protect from heat, which sounds like none was done and the non AN lines also make me wonder. I changed plugs without ever removing manifolds many times. There are many items that you listed that baffle me as to how they melted. I understand stuff is tight, however some stuff mentioned should not be in question. Are you sure the kit was not modified or even ours?
We fabricated a much nicer, easier to install, more power capable, and kept heat away from the front twin system. With that there is no reason to have the single kit anymore which is why we discontinued it. The new kit is far superior in all aspects.
If you have any questions or would like any help please feel free to ask!
Jon@HuronSpeed.com
Jon
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Last edited by Superman09; Oct 13, 2017 at 10:03 PM.
If proper preparation is done prior to install (wrapping everything that would near hot parts), as well as wrap on hot parts + blankets provided in the kit, then one should be good.
If Jon went to a gen 2 kit, he should consider sweeping the primary tubes/log up about an inch as it would help with plug wire clearance as well as not needing to loosen the down pipe in order to remove the drivers manifold.
Overall it is a nice kit put together by Jon. Unfortunately, the LS3 motor just breathes so well, that the kit will hit a performance wall unless some things are done.
-don't run an air filter
- dump the waste gate to atmosphere instead of back into the 3" DP
-run cutouts
Those 3 things really woke my car up.
Jon's customer service and "on call" responsiveness is why I deal with him. Also, most kits have their flaws, the gen 5 kit does too, but can still be a great kit.
If Jon went to a gen 2 kit, he should consider sweeping the primary tubes/log up about an inch as it would help with plug wire clearance as well as not needing to loosen the down pipe in order to remove the drivers manifold.
Overall it is a nice kit put together by Jon. Unfortunately, the LS3 motor just breathes so well, that the kit will hit a performance wall unless some things are done.
-don't run an air filter
- dump the waste gate to atmosphere instead of back into the 3" DP
-run cutouts
Those 3 things really woke my car up.
Jon's customer service and "on call" responsiveness is why I deal with him. Also, most kits have their flaws, the gen 5 kit does too, but can still be a great kit.
If proper preparation is done prior to install (wrapping everything that would near hot parts), as well as wrap on hot parts + blankets provided in the kit, then one should be good.
If Jon went to a gen 2 kit, he should consider sweeping the primary tubes/log up about an inch as it would help with plug wire clearance as well as not needing to loosen the down pipe in order to remove the drivers manifold.
Overall it is a nice kit put together by Jon. Unfortunately, the LS3 motor just breathes so well, that the kit will hit a performance wall unless some things are done.
-don't run an air filter
- dump the waste gate to atmosphere instead of back into the 3" DP
-run cutouts
Those 3 things really woke my car up.
Jon's customer service and "on call" responsiveness is why I deal with him. Also, most kits have their flaws, the gen 5 kit does too, but can still be a great kit.
If Jon went to a gen 2 kit, he should consider sweeping the primary tubes/log up about an inch as it would help with plug wire clearance as well as not needing to loosen the down pipe in order to remove the drivers manifold.
Overall it is a nice kit put together by Jon. Unfortunately, the LS3 motor just breathes so well, that the kit will hit a performance wall unless some things are done.
-don't run an air filter
- dump the waste gate to atmosphere instead of back into the 3" DP
-run cutouts
Those 3 things really woke my car up.
Jon's customer service and "on call" responsiveness is why I deal with him. Also, most kits have their flaws, the gen 5 kit does too, but can still be a great kit.
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Appreciate the feedback! I have considering making some tweaks (quite the same as you mentioned above) and bringing the single back out however the twin kit does everything so well already to conquer the issues some saw noted above with the single kit that it makes it hard to do another kit that even if all ironed out will still not hang with the ease of install and power capabilities the twin kit provides.
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No worries Jon. And yes it is your kit. Huron Speed tags on the manifolds.
So as near as I can tell, the heat kit was installed when this was put together. I'd guess it was an early kit. I'd also guess this thing was used and abused big time. Like foot on the floor for miles......or maybe countless dyno pulls. Who knows. The melted stuff is for real. I have many photos.
Also as delivered the WG was disconnected. The meth kit was set on full kill. So my bet is the prev owner tried for max everything, then sold the car.
The BR7EF plugs were smoked to a .040" gap. No doubt never changed since day 1.
On the pass side, the prev owner just started stuffing loose bits of header wrap, parts of heat blankets etc around the plugs, manifold to main wiring harness etc. it was pathetic.
Here is a few photos.
Anyway, I've fixed all of these issues. I've gone out of my way for the customer even to the point of bringing things home to work on.
I just want a good outcome here.
Thanks Jon AKA RealQuick for sharing his findings with me. Super sweet car. This one has no chance of being that nice.
I'll order a new set of plug wires as it's struggling on the dyno with this new 416. It balks and stumbles at peak boost which is at 3000rpm then takes off and runs fine past 4000. W/O meth. turn the meth on and it's pissed....
Ron
So as near as I can tell, the heat kit was installed when this was put together. I'd guess it was an early kit. I'd also guess this thing was used and abused big time. Like foot on the floor for miles......or maybe countless dyno pulls. Who knows. The melted stuff is for real. I have many photos.
Also as delivered the WG was disconnected. The meth kit was set on full kill. So my bet is the prev owner tried for max everything, then sold the car.
The BR7EF plugs were smoked to a .040" gap. No doubt never changed since day 1.
On the pass side, the prev owner just started stuffing loose bits of header wrap, parts of heat blankets etc around the plugs, manifold to main wiring harness etc. it was pathetic.
Here is a few photos.
Anyway, I've fixed all of these issues. I've gone out of my way for the customer even to the point of bringing things home to work on.
I just want a good outcome here.
Thanks Jon AKA RealQuick for sharing his findings with me. Super sweet car. This one has no chance of being that nice.
I'll order a new set of plug wires as it's struggling on the dyno with this new 416. It balks and stumbles at peak boost which is at 3000rpm then takes off and runs fine past 4000. W/O meth. turn the meth on and it's pissed....
Ron
Last edited by RonSSNova; Oct 14, 2017 at 02:23 PM.
That's a hot mess Ron (no pun intended)! I hope the customer appreciates the work involved in fixing it. I don't think anyone would blame you if you told the customer that his car isn't something you want to get involved with.
get some fresh plug wires on and dialed in without the meth... if the meth kit is a single nozzle, then it shouldn't be too much for that setup... seems like it just isn't producing good results yet until it is functioning 100% first.
Oh, and as I am sure you already know, get some #7 plugs at .026-.028 and see how it does.
I would agree on tge on the statement of the previous owner running it under load/temp for extended periods of time based on those pics.
good luck and keep us posted!
get some fresh plug wires on and dialed in without the meth... if the meth kit is a single nozzle, then it shouldn't be too much for that setup... seems like it just isn't producing good results yet until it is functioning 100% first.
Oh, and as I am sure you already know, get some #7 plugs at .026-.028 and see how it does.
I would agree on tge on the statement of the previous owner running it under load/temp for extended periods of time based on those pics.
good luck and keep us posted!