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Old 07-08-2018, 07:25 PM
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Hey guys, I'm new here and I just started picking up parts for a LY6 turbo build. My motor has sat at the JY without plugs for a while, so the walls have some minor rust. My plan was to pull it all apart, clean up the rust and lightly ball hone the walls, replace the rings and gap them for boost, check the bearings and replace the rod bolts. I know the stock CR is 9.6:1 (using a .051 head gasket) which isn't ideal for boost on pump gas. Ideally, I'd want something closer to 9:1, which should let me run 10-12psi on 93 octane with a little bit of a safety cushion in regards to the tune. If my math is right, a .075 MLS gasket will get me right around 8.9-9.1:1 depending on if I have to remove some material from the block/heads for a clean surface. What is everyone's thoughts on this? My ultimate final goal using pump/meth is 700-800whp through a 4L80E. It's going into a 52' Chevy Styleline. It's gonna be a weekend "fun" car that's 95% street driven.
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I would not go to a thicker head gasket due to loss of quench or change the factory rods bolts. Having an LY6 also tuned on 93 pump fuel and making about 850 hp with 11# boost. Mine has twin 70mm turbos and runs awesome on microsquirt ecu. Good luck with ur build
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9.6 is perfect.....could be alot higher if running e85...
do some searching on here
that 9.1 stuff is old school supercharger thinking
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Originally Posted by Loud Mouse
I would not go to a thicker head gasket due to loss of quench or change the factory rods bolts. Having an LY6 also tuned on 93 pump fuel and making about 850 hp with 11# boost. Mine has twin 70mm turbos and runs awesome on microsquirt ecu. Good luck with ur build
you're making 850 to the tire or at the flywheel? You running ARP head studs and Ls9 gaskets? What type of engine management? I was planning on going with a Holley Dominator since I'm building the car from the ground up.

I read up on it being hit or miss going to arp bolts due to the cracked cap design. Maybe I'll just buy new factory bolts for peace of mind.
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Originally Posted by jasonsnova
9.6 is perfect.....could be alot higher if running e85...
do some searching on here
that 9.1 stuff is old school supercharger thinking
Thanks. I'm coming from the dark side (4 cylinder imports) and usually we would be between 9-9.5:1 to be able to run about 25-30psi. I know the boost threshold is much less ok these LS engines in terms of actual PSI, but I guess I was comparing apples to watermelons.
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Low timing is key. My 9.9:1 5.3 sees 20+ PSI on the regular with 93.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
Low timing is key. My 9.9:1 5.3 sees 20+ PSI on the regular with 93.
what type of power does it make on that setup? What type of turbo?
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~4 digit territory, Billet S480, T4.
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At the Flywheel, factory bolts and gaskets. Heads never been off.
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My Whipple / ly6 runs 14lbs boost on 93/ meth@18* timing Car traps 130+ @4050 lbs
Been this way for 10 k with no issues .
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9.5:1 comp on PUMP gas with 10-12 psi would be perfect.

conservative timing will make it live on PUMP. when you spray meth it will take more timing with the denser cooler charge air and octane increase. just remember that if the meth runs out pump only will not take that timing.
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Originally Posted by Luke19901
9.5:1 comp on PUMP gas with 10-12 psi would be perfect.

conservative timing will make it live on PUMP. when you spray meth it will take more timing with the denser cooler charge air and octane increase. just remember that if the meth runs out pump only will not take that timing.
Absolutely. I plan to install a low level sensor in the meth tank and have it wired to an input on the Dominator as to retard timing when the low level sensor is triggered. I'm not too familiar with the software yet but that's how we used to do it using AEM EMS with the jap cars, so I'm sure it can be setup like that.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
~4 digit territory, Billet S480, T4.
how may RPMs are you turning? I haven't decided on a turbo yet. I was leaning toward a cast T6/1.32 S475 or S480. I'd love to do smaller twins but unfortunately I don't have the room. To keep it safe, I'll probably keep my shifts at 6200 and set the limiter at 6600. I don't want to push the stock rod bolts too far.
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Limiter is at 6600.
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Originally Posted by Stewi


how may RPMs are you turning? I haven't decided on a turbo yet. I was leaning toward a cast T6/1.32 S475 or S480. I'd love to do smaller twins but unfortunately I don't have the room. To keep it safe, I'll probably keep my shifts at 6200 and set the limiter at 6600. I don't want to push the stock rod bolts too far.
Bolts aren’t a concern.
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I ran a LY6 with flat tops installed, 317 heads and LS9 head gaskets, ARP head studs. About 10.25 comp. T4 S475/83 with Meth and 15lbs of boost on pump 93 made about 800hp, enough to trap 125mph in a 5500lbs 4wd truck. Ran that setup for 4 years before cracking a ring land cuz of some bad gas. Was a daily and ran great!
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Originally Posted by kbracing96
I ran a LY6 with flat tops installed, 317 heads and LS9 head gaskets, ARP head studs. About 10.25 comp. T4 S475/83 with Meth and 15lbs of boost on pump 93 made about 800hp, enough to trap 125mph in a 5500lbs 4wd truck. Ran that setup for 4 years before cracking a ring land cuz of some bad gas. Was a daily and ran great!
when you say flat tops, forged flat tops or stock LQ9 flat tops? Also, how high were you spinning it? I would think that with the small T4 hotside and 83mm turbine wheel it would start to choke out in the higher RPMs.
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A few guys here have ran into the 8s on that same S475/83 T4.
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Originally Posted by JoeNova
A few guys here have ran into the 8s on that same S475/83 T4.
I've seen that time and time again, I was just curious whether or not there were any adverse results in pushing the turbo that hard.
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Originally Posted by Stewi


I've seen that time and time again, I was just curious whether or not there were any adverse results in pushing the turbo that hard.
You can log back pressure if that is your concern but on pump gas I'd say you will start to be limited by octane far before that becomes an issue


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