To the boosted guys that have had a engine failure
Good to know. i remember reading 0-60 in 3.8 and went WTF???
Would definitely own one.
not meant to be a back hand it’s just a fact? I’ve been through a few setups and no matter how many sensors you have the plugs don’t lie. I switched to efi this year and was having some issues ..... Long story short you have to revert to reading those plus even when sensors are reading “correct” just to be sure... Everytime i even have a slight issue i’m always asked what the plugs look like.... Haven’t dove into ethanol tuning but when i do, no matter how hard it is, i will learn to read those plugs too.
To the part of plugs being hard to get to and higher compression. If you can’t tune on higher compression run lower if you are not a wiz at tuning? If your plugs are hard to get to you didn’t think hard enough about your set up. my #1 priority on my hot side was using stock plug wires and ease of access to the plugs.
To the part of plugs being hard to get to and higher compression. If you can’t tune on higher compression run lower if you are not a wiz at tuning? If your plugs are hard to get to you didn’t think hard enough about your set up. my #1 priority on my hot side was using stock plug wires and ease of access to the plugs.
While it absolutely help tuning, reading plugs is still an after the fact action that wont save an engine if it leans out during a pull for various reasons. Agree that reading plugs helps with the tuneup but its not uncommon for things to change so if you see your wideband go lean during a pull its easy to lift rather then pick plugs up off the street. Pumps die, filters clog, injectors fail, boost spikes, voltage drops, etc..
That'll hardly help in the scenario mentioned, or countless other real time events.
A wideband is a critical piece of information, but it can also be affected by other things, mis-interpreted or simply not enough information.
And a glance when driving is usually enough, but of course for proper monitoring that's what datalogging is for. In which case the more information you can gain the better.
A wideband is a critical piece of information, but it can also be affected by other things, mis-interpreted or simply not enough information.
And a glance when driving is usually enough, but of course for proper monitoring that's what datalogging is for. In which case the more information you can gain the better.
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:lolcry: yeah, you were thinking more of the other drivers that stare and drive, not that one so much 
Not meant to be a back hand it’s just a fact? I’ve been through a few setups and no matter how many sensors you have the plugs don’t lie. I switched to efi this year and was having some issues ..... long story short you have to revert to reading those plus even when sensors are reading “correct” just to be sure... everytime I even have a slight issue I’m always asked what the plugs look like.... haven’t dove into ethanol tuning but when I do, no matter how hard it is, I will learn to read those plugs too.
to the part of plugs being hard to get to and higher compression. If you can’t tune on higher compression run lower if you are not a wiz at tuning? If your plugs are hard to get to you didn’t think hard enough about your set up. My #1 priority on my hot side was using stock plug wires and ease of access to the plugs.
to the part of plugs being hard to get to and higher compression. If you can’t tune on higher compression run lower if you are not a wiz at tuning? If your plugs are hard to get to you didn’t think hard enough about your set up. My #1 priority on my hot side was using stock plug wires and ease of access to the plugs.
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Spend the money on Wideband, fuel pressure and knock logging.
Doesn't mean that you can ignore good practices. For example, I burnt through a piston probably because of an alky mist system failure at 28PSI. Wideband log told me after the piston was toast.
Doesn't mean that you can ignore good practices. For example, I burnt through a piston probably because of an alky mist system failure at 28PSI. Wideband log told me after the piston was toast.
I don’t like nitrous. Because you have to rely on filling a bottle.
I don’t like meth injection. You have to fill the bottle and you could have a system failure. Then you have a motor failure.
I don’t like e85. Because I have to find special stations to get fuel.
I guess im just a simple kind of guy. If I can’t make the power I need to go as fast as the goal I may have, I start getting ingenuitive. I start looking at ways to free up friction. Lighten things up. Make things more efficient.......oops, I’m getting off topic. Lol.
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I have a mast ecm . I really like they way they set it up . Any knock it will pull timing. One time I had a suspect tank of gas, and it would pull 6* of timing @ WOT. I have fuel pressure, wideband, and a boost gauge on the pillar. Everything else I can see on my laptop. I usually keep an eye on actual timing and IATs
see I like to keep things simple. Examples.
I don’t like nitrous. Because you have to rely on filling a bottle.
I don’t like meth injection. You have to fill the bottle and you could have a system failure. Then you have a motor failure.
I don’t like e85. Because I have to find special stations to get fuel.
I guess im just a simple kind of guy. If I can’t make the power I need to go as fast as the goal I may have, I start getting ingenuitive. I start looking at ways to free up friction. Lighten things up. Make things more efficient.......oops, I’m getting off topic. Lol.
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see I like to keep things simple. Examples.
I don’t like nitrous. Because you have to rely on filling a bottle.
I don’t like meth injection. You have to fill the bottle and you could have a system failure. Then you have a motor failure.
I don’t like e85. Because I have to find special stations to get fuel.
I guess im just a simple kind of guy. If I can’t make the power I need to go as fast as the goal I may have, I start getting ingenuitive. I start looking at ways to free up friction. Lighten things up. Make things more efficient.......oops, I’m getting off topic. Lol.
However simple is great if it meets your goals. For example if your goals are to get groceries, a stock, N/A, ford focus is simple. Forced induction by definition is not simple.
If your goal is to run 6 lbs of boost, then you've already chosen to complicate some things like turbo setup, wastegates, boost control, AFRs, tune etc, but you can still keep the pump gas simple.
If your goal is to run 28 lbs of boost in a daily driver, then you need a little more complexity (e85 not available everywhere).
Generally, I agree that simpler could be better.
However simple is great if it meets your goals. For example if your goals are to get groceries, a stock, N/A, ford focus is simple. Forced induction by definition is not simple.
If your goal is to run 6 lbs of boost, then you've already chosen to complicate some things like turbo setup, wastegates, boost control, AFRs, tune etc, but you can still keep the pump gas simple.
If your goal is to run 28 lbs of boost in a daily driver, then you need a little more complexity (e85 not available everywhere).
However simple is great if it meets your goals. For example if your goals are to get groceries, a stock, N/A, ford focus is simple. Forced induction by definition is not simple.
If your goal is to run 6 lbs of boost, then you've already chosen to complicate some things like turbo setup, wastegates, boost control, AFRs, tune etc, but you can still keep the pump gas simple.
If your goal is to run 28 lbs of boost in a daily driver, then you need a little more complexity (e85 not available everywhere).
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yes im simple. 650rwhp for me is plenty. I’m just looking to run in the 10’s and be able to drive it anywhere. I’ve got the anywhere part down. Running in the 10’s, well I gotta get to the track and see. I’m on 6lbs right now but I turned it up a little last night. Trying to get to 8-10 and leave it alone. Im not working with an unlimited budget or time so I need this engine to last until I put a built one in. I don’t have time right now either to be swapping engines. I have a aluminum block 5.3 that’s complete, that I have to go through and put rods and pistons in and a few other little things. Then I should be able to lean on it more. Or not. But have a bigger safety margin