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Old Sep 24, 2021 | 06:48 AM
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I am in need of some opinions. I am building an LS combo with an F-1X Procharger. The combo will be 1000 whp. I will be running slicks (10.5W) as the tracks around me aren't fly paper to justify a radial (imo). I am debating with whether to build a 400 or a Glide. What are all of your opinions?
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How heavy is the car?

What rear gear?

What size slick?

TH400 will have more gear ratios options, and you can set up the brake to launch in 1st or 2nd gear.

Glide will likely be cheaper (unless you get exotic with 1st gear ratios). And, probably will work just fine.

Best of success with your project!
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29.5 will be the slick. As far as gear goes, that is unknown. I will determine that when I decide what 1st gear ratio the car will have. I know about weight diff, hp loss and gear ratios as far as launch. I guess my thought was with Procharger having a ramp based on RPM, I didn't want it too be too lazy with a glide. But yes, the glide will stick it easier. This is in a 01 camaro. I go in circles with this so just looking for some insight.
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Old Sep 24, 2021 | 08:16 AM
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The car will be 3100#
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29.5 will be the slick. As far as gear goes, that is unknown. I will determine that when I decide what 1st gear ratio the car will have. I know about weight diff, hp loss and gear ratios as far as launch. I guess my thought was with Procharger having a ramp based on RPM, I didn't want it too be too lazy with a glide. But yes, the glide will stick it easier. This is in a 01 camaro. I go in circles with this so just looking for some insight.
That’s something a lot of car builds go through…. Even if the goal is to go straight…

I’d want to run some calculations to be sure, but I’d bet a 4.11 rear and a 1.76 first gear glide would haul ***.
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I have found the glide to be more forgiving to track conditions and driver error.
It 60 foots just as good as the 400 did but feels more controlled. It was weird not having the first shift happen as fast as it did with the 400.
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Originally Posted by C5_Pete
That’s something a lot of car builds go through…. Even if the goal is to go straight…

I’d want to run some calculations to be sure, but I’d bet a 4.11 rear and a 1.76 first gear glide would haul ***.
we run a 1.8 first and 3.73s out back. Great for 1/8 mile but for 1/4 it is turning too much rpm with a 28 inch tire.
Depending on expected trap speed I think a mid 3.xx would be better. Just an opinion.
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I have found the glide to be more forgiving to track conditions and driver error.
It 60 foots just as good as the 400 did but feels more controlled. It was weird not having the first shift happen as fast as it did with the 400.
Agree, glide with the proper stall is a weapon especially on marginal surfaces.
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1/8 or 1/4?

I'm personally I think going to focus more on 1/8th. I'm starting out with stock geared TH400, 2.50 and 28 tire, but the SLR of a 2.10 gear set in the trans would probably work better when the car starts going really fast.

I'd decide on 1/8 or 1/4, figure out shift points, and talk to your favorite trans guy. I hear the glide is lighter, but costs a bunch more to bullet proof.

I also street drive mine, and I like 3 gears.
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Originally Posted by AgFormula02
we run a 1.8 first and 3.73s out back. Great for 1/8 mile but for 1/4 it is turning too much rpm with a 28 inch tire.
Depending on expected trap speed I think a mid 3.xx would be better. Just an opinion.
I came up with my numbers based on a 29.5” slick, which will grow to at least 30” going down track.

1000hp@3100lbs should/could trap 160 in the 1/4. 7800 rpm or so. Just spitballin as the track will tell the op what the car wants.
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Originally Posted by C5_Pete
I came up with my numbers based on a 29.5” slick, which will grow to at least 30” going down track.

1000hp@3100lbs should/could trap 160 in the 1/4. 7800 rpm or so. Just spitballin as the track will tell the op what the car wants.
I hate turning that much rpm personally. I am hydraulic with a 4 inch stroke. I am paranoid about things going boom.
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Originally Posted by AgFormula02
I hate turning that much rpm personally. I am hydraulic with a 4 inch stroke. I am paranoid about things going boom.
7800 is nothing, many see much higher with hydro lifters and 4" stroke. If worried take a look at bearings and skirts in the off season.

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1/8 or 1/4?

I'm personally I think going to focus more on 1/8th. I'm starting out with stock geared TH400, 2.50 and 28 tire, but the SLR of a 2.10 gear set in the trans would probably work better when the car starts going really fast.

I'd decide on 1/8 or 1/4, figure out shift points, and talk to your favorite trans guy. I hear the glide is lighter, but costs a bunch more to bullet proof.

I also street drive mine, and I like 3 gears.
2.50 gear? Really?
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400 might be better for a blower car to keep rpm/boost up but I like my glide makes leaving on a marginal surface a little easier
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2.50 gear? Really?
I think he’s talking about the stock first gear ratio in the TH400 (2.48)
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I appreciate everybody's feedback! As I said before, my original plan was a powerglide but I am just trying to think things through and do it correct the first time. AND...What do we all do best? Overthink things! Lol. Thanks again! Feel free to continue with opinions and feedback!
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Folks like to calculate SLR (starting line ratio), that's worth thinking about.

Even though I am starting with a conventionally geared TH400, seen a lot of friends quickly dial in cars with a 1.69-1.8 powerglide.
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T400, leave in 2nd gear, 4.29 out back for the 1/8. Stall speed based on HP. You can hit it pretty damn hard on a marginal track and still control it down low.
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Originally Posted by 6701camaro
I am in need of some opinions. I am building an LS combo with an F-1X Procharger. The combo will be 1000 whp. I will be running slicks (10.5W) as the tracks around me aren't fly paper to justify a radial (imo). I am debating with whether to build a 400 or a Glide. What are all of your opinions?
If you ever street drive, a glide plain out sucks. If you want to build a bulletproof track star, the glide is the only way to go. Even with a fully built 400, failure is still gonna happen at some point. Remember, the fastest 1/4 cars in the world only have 1 gear to minimize failure points. I'm sure if a CVT would handle 8000hp, top fuel cars would use those.
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