very, very nice turbo setup on camaro
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Originally Posted by bad2000ss
My intention was not to critisize your car, please don't take it the wrong way. 
Hell, i've been outrun by gopeds in my truck, but I can still get it going 130mph. 
Hell, i've been outrun by gopeds in my truck, but I can still get it going 130mph.
My point is fast and quick are two very different terms.
adj. fast·er, fast·est
Acting, moving, or capable of acting or moving quickly; swift.
Quick ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kwk)
adj. quick·er, quick·est
Moving or functioning rapidly and energetically; speedy.
sure.
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Here's a few bottom lines.
1. It can be assumed that the lighter car will win in a drag race, IF HP, TQ, traction, driver ability etc. are all equal. Chance of all that other stuff being equal: 0.0059%.
2. We've discovered through superior powers of deduction that high 11s are not "FAST".
3. 5 psi is 5 psi, no matter where it's coming from.
4. the same powers of deduction used above lead us to believe that a stage II H/C setup does not cost $7000.00
5. The STS kit is not intended to push your car through the traps in 8 seconds.
6. Nobody is going to bolt on an STS kit and see 800 RWHP
7. Wildman and I both neglected to consider the cost of an upgraded fuel system when considering more psi.
8. wildman and I both concede that to reliably push more psi, fuel system upgrades are necessary.
9. 1point3liter's car will hook with tires.
10. back to the original topic. It is undesputed that all of Wildmans 10 points are met with the STS kit. It's cheap, it's simple, it makes boost, it's a great kit for someone who doesn't want to spend a mint, but wants to have a 400+ horsepower street car.
BTW 1point3, do you have any pics of your car during installation? I have a friend who wants to put an ls1 in his RX-7. Anything we should know before starting?
1. It can be assumed that the lighter car will win in a drag race, IF HP, TQ, traction, driver ability etc. are all equal. Chance of all that other stuff being equal: 0.0059%.
2. We've discovered through superior powers of deduction that high 11s are not "FAST".
3. 5 psi is 5 psi, no matter where it's coming from.
4. the same powers of deduction used above lead us to believe that a stage II H/C setup does not cost $7000.00
5. The STS kit is not intended to push your car through the traps in 8 seconds.
6. Nobody is going to bolt on an STS kit and see 800 RWHP
7. Wildman and I both neglected to consider the cost of an upgraded fuel system when considering more psi.
8. wildman and I both concede that to reliably push more psi, fuel system upgrades are necessary.
9. 1point3liter's car will hook with tires.
10. back to the original topic. It is undesputed that all of Wildmans 10 points are met with the STS kit. It's cheap, it's simple, it makes boost, it's a great kit for someone who doesn't want to spend a mint, but wants to have a 400+ horsepower street car.
BTW 1point3, do you have any pics of your car during installation? I have a friend who wants to put an ls1 in his RX-7. Anything we should know before starting?
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Originally Posted by 1point3liter
What did you put down with all those mods and the STS kit? What has your car run at the track? 
If you read my webpage, you would know it is still in the works
It's been on stands for about 3 months, I was waiting on some custom parts for most of that.
I am looking for 500+ HP, and 500+ lbs. tq. at 8psi on pump gas with ALKY.
But you know what... I am not intrested in the Dyno... nor my 1/4 mile times.
I am making a street monster that will kill 98% of the cars out there.
I got trounced by a Lightening last year (not very bad but I lost) and I was not too comfortable being beat by a truck.
Now I know that there will always be somebody faster, but I wanted to be a little higher on the food chain AND still run pump gas AND still be streetable AND pass emissions. I can easly remove some of the offending objects to pass the visual.
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Originally Posted by MEAN LT1
True enough but how often are you on the track versus the street?. This is why the 600-800hp supras are highway monsters. And I pretty much assure you that if you run a 11.5@125 and i run a 12.5@140 on the street Im going to own you from a roll. 
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Taken from Dragsters International Dictionary:
Quick: 10+ ET
Fast: 9- ET
I don't care what the trap speed is, a 9 second time slip is like a diploma. You are now fast. Dont get a big head though, you're still not real fast.
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Originally Posted by Clipper
9. 1point3liter's car will hook with tires.
BTW 1point3, do you have any pics of your car during installation? I have a friend who wants to put an ls1 in his RX-7. Anything we should know before starting?
BTW 1point3, do you have any pics of your car during installation? I have a friend who wants to put an ls1 in his RX-7. Anything we should know before starting?
If you guys have any questions you can aim me at bryan10m, pm me for my phone number, or just pm me. AIM or phone being the most preferable options. I have to much **** to talk here on ls1tech to have time to answer pm's
.I was one of Hinson's earlier customers and the only guys that seems to be really beating on the car a lot. I've broken my transmount twice now.
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Originally Posted by Clipper
Nah...
Taken from Dragsters International Dictionary:
Quick: 10+ ET
Fast: 9- ET
I don't care what the trap speed is, a 9 second time slip is like a diploma. You are now fast. Dont get a big head though, you're still not real fast.
Taken from Dragsters International Dictionary:
Quick: 10+ ET
Fast: 9- ET
I don't care what the trap speed is, a 9 second time slip is like a diploma. You are now fast. Dont get a big head though, you're still not real fast.
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Originally Posted by Wildman
Welllllll......
If you read my webpage, you would know it is still in the works
It's been on stands for about 3 months, I was waiting on some custom parts for most of that.
I am looking for 500+ HP, and 500+ lbs. tq. at 8psi on pump gas with ALKY.
But you know what... I am not intrested in the Dyno... nor my 1/4 mile times.
I am making a street monster that will kill 98% of the cars out there.
I got trounced by a Lightening last year (not very bad but I lost) and I was not too comfortable being beat by a truck.
Now I know that there will always be somebody faster, but I wanted to be a little higher on the food chain AND still run pump gas AND still be streetable AND pass emissions. I can easly remove some of the offending objects to pass the visual.
If you read my webpage, you would know it is still in the works
It's been on stands for about 3 months, I was waiting on some custom parts for most of that.
I am looking for 500+ HP, and 500+ lbs. tq. at 8psi on pump gas with ALKY.
But you know what... I am not intrested in the Dyno... nor my 1/4 mile times.
I am making a street monster that will kill 98% of the cars out there.
I got trounced by a Lightening last year (not very bad but I lost) and I was not too comfortable being beat by a truck.
Now I know that there will always be somebody faster, but I wanted to be a little higher on the food chain AND still run pump gas AND still be streetable AND pass emissions. I can easly remove some of the offending objects to pass the visual.
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Originally Posted by 1point3liter
We'll meet half way so I'll know if my car is in the top 2 precentile. Also I'd like to pick up my "diploma" after the race too if that's ok. jk.
Then I will give you a run for your money.
Sad thing is that I'm still not sure if I will win
AND IMO... anyone that can shove a LS1 into an RX-7... you graduate with honors.
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lol. this thread trips me out.
Anyway.. I'm not a fan of the STS kit at all. It breaks all the rules and I don't see it as being effecient. You guys keep bringing up meth injection and big boost. Untill I see some results that are higher than a well running heads/cam/bottle car, I say you're all smoking the meth.. lol
If it'll make big power numbers do it and back it up. so everyone will shut up.
Anyway.. I'm not a fan of the STS kit at all. It breaks all the rules and I don't see it as being effecient. You guys keep bringing up meth injection and big boost. Untill I see some results that are higher than a well running heads/cam/bottle car, I say you're all smoking the meth.. lol
If it'll make big power numbers do it and back it up. so everyone will shut up.
gg (for now)
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1point3liter,
I understand exactly where you are coming from an agree on almost all points. I never said that the STS kit would be as effcient as a front mount but that it didn't seem to be that far off the mark is all. Also I doub't the BIG #s will come form this kit but it all depends one what considers big. Anything over 600rwhp that is SOLID and not a spike for 200rpm and drops like a rock is big IMO. I think that is doable with this kit but 800+rwhp may be a bit trickier and I doubt we will see it anytime soon simply because anyone with the cash flow to do that kind of setup is just going to buy a tried and ture turbo kit becuase taking chances with that much money plain sucks. LOL
I understand exactly where you are coming from an agree on almost all points. I never said that the STS kit would be as effcient as a front mount but that it didn't seem to be that far off the mark is all. Also I doub't the BIG #s will come form this kit but it all depends one what considers big. Anything over 600rwhp that is SOLID and not a spike for 200rpm and drops like a rock is big IMO. I think that is doable with this kit but 800+rwhp may be a bit trickier and I doubt we will see it anytime soon simply because anyone with the cash flow to do that kind of setup is just going to buy a tried and ture turbo kit becuase taking chances with that much money plain sucks. LOL
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Who cares if it makes "big" numbers or not??? That's not what it's designed to do. It is designed to get 40-50% more horespower off of a stock car/truck. That's it. That's why it's set up to generate either 5 or 10psi. I don't understand people who are saying things like "that until you can provide some numbers (dyno or track) that make everyone give this kit some respect". WTH? There are already dyno's and track numbers showing the kit making 400-450rwhp on basically stock cars. It does what it was designed to do....period.
If you can resize the turbo and get higher boost out of it, then great. What's the point?
The basic point is this:
STS kit: 400-450 RWHP on stock car for ~$4000 installed
Other turbo kit: 400-450 RWHP on stock car for $6-8000 installed (ATI, QMP, etc)
H/C : 400-450 RWHP on stock car ~$4000 installed (yet to see that price though)
Any other arguments about "big" horspower or "quick/fast" cars is no longer STS specific and relates to turbo vs N/A because the STS kit can produce as much boost as an LS1 can handle if sized properly.
Russell
If you can resize the turbo and get higher boost out of it, then great. What's the point?
The basic point is this:
STS kit: 400-450 RWHP on stock car for ~$4000 installed
Other turbo kit: 400-450 RWHP on stock car for $6-8000 installed (ATI, QMP, etc)
H/C : 400-450 RWHP on stock car ~$4000 installed (yet to see that price though)
Any other arguments about "big" horspower or "quick/fast" cars is no longer STS specific and relates to turbo vs N/A because the STS kit can produce as much boost as an LS1 can handle if sized properly.
Russell
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And how much would it take? 700hp, 800?
How much would it take to shut people up? That will never happen... someone will always critisize. EVEN AFTER those goals are reached.
"It hangs too low, the filter gets dirty, it is not efficient..." blah...
Everyone is so stuck on Dyno Times... Horse Power numbers... to some extent, that includes me.
How many of you actually went to their web page and read up on it?
This kit was originally made for trucks, to go up hills, to tow trailers, to get better gas milage, AND to be street legal.
Then it was ported over to cars.
Everyone keeps glazing over this question.
So again I ask, show us the hp/tq dyno #'s and/or track times of ANYTHING that is running at 5psi with no other bolt on's what-so-ever. THEN, show us how much money it was to purchase it and install it.
You just don't get it.. 5psi is 5psi is 5psi
ANY other debate will apply to ALL the other F/I kits as well (fueling, rods, Compression Ratio, cams, etc.)
YOU guys threw in the H/C/Bottle arguement, SO why aren't you bashing the base kit ATI guys? Why aren't you bashing the base kit Vortech guys?
I have told everyone 3 times where and how this kit fits in the scheme of things.
And no one has invalidated any of my points yet with actual FACTS..
Ah nevermind...
How much would it take to shut people up? That will never happen... someone will always critisize. EVEN AFTER those goals are reached.
"It hangs too low, the filter gets dirty, it is not efficient..." blah...
Everyone is so stuck on Dyno Times... Horse Power numbers... to some extent, that includes me.
How many of you actually went to their web page and read up on it?
This kit was originally made for trucks, to go up hills, to tow trailers, to get better gas milage, AND to be street legal.
Then it was ported over to cars.
Everyone keeps glazing over this question.
So again I ask, show us the hp/tq dyno #'s and/or track times of ANYTHING that is running at 5psi with no other bolt on's what-so-ever. THEN, show us how much money it was to purchase it and install it.
You just don't get it.. 5psi is 5psi is 5psi
ANY other debate will apply to ALL the other F/I kits as well (fueling, rods, Compression Ratio, cams, etc.)
YOU guys threw in the H/C/Bottle arguement, SO why aren't you bashing the base kit ATI guys? Why aren't you bashing the base kit Vortech guys?
I have told everyone 3 times where and how this kit fits in the scheme of things.
And no one has invalidated any of my points yet with actual FACTS..
Ah nevermind...
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[QUOTE=Wildman]extent, that includes me.
How many of you actually went to their web page and read up on it?
This kit was originally made for trucks, to go up hills, to tow trailers, to get better gas milage, AND to be street legal.
Then it was ported over to cars.
Thank You Wildman
, that's the reason i got it and it work great.
How many of you actually went to their web page and read up on it?
This kit was originally made for trucks, to go up hills, to tow trailers, to get better gas milage, AND to be street legal.
Then it was ported over to cars.
Thank You Wildman
, that's the reason i got it and it work great. TECH Enthusiast
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I'm with you wildman!
I don't care how the power is made, if it's affordable and streetable. I would love to do a H/C package for 450rwhp but I haven't seen one that costs me $4000 installed and passes emissions.
Russell
I don't care how the power is made, if it's affordable and streetable. I would love to do a H/C package for 450rwhp but I haven't seen one that costs me $4000 installed and passes emissions.
Russell
thought i would throw it in here since seems to be a mudfight allready
i see some new posts: guys with the sts kit... saving all this money.. and then putting alky on it.. oh and then adding and intercooler.... oh then adding headers..
nothing against the people that are doing it to get what they want.. but isn't time and money something you were planning on saving by purchasing this system?
i see some new posts: guys with the sts kit... saving all this money.. and then putting alky on it.. oh and then adding and intercooler.... oh then adding headers..
nothing against the people that are doing it to get what they want.. but isn't time and money something you were planning on saving by purchasing this system?
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I see your point MightyMouse but I think you might be seeing mixed things.
Most of us that are gonn apush this system bought it for the following reason:
#1 Great price on the base kit
#2 To be different, especially when everyone said it will never work
#3 To be able to upgrade in the future
I knew from the get-go that this would wind up costing me about $5k but it was cheaper than any kit on the market that I knew of for my truck.
As for adding all these extra parts. Firstly i don't see the need for headers at all. They didn't seem to help me at al so I removed mine and went back to stock. I did the methanol at first because I thought the FMIC wouldn't work well with the STS kit. After finding out I didn't like using the meth I decided to try a FMIC. At this point if I could do it all over again I would have just got the IC which still kept me under $4500 installed.
These kits are still experimental when it comes to big power. They were designed for basic power upgrades and some of us freaks are trying to see how far they can really go so it's trial and error just like anyhting relating to HP in this world
I'm not going to argue it's pros or cons over a front mount. I am just telling you my reasons for getting the kit and why I have 2 forms of cooling even thougth I don't even use the meth right now.
It really doesn't matter though. Like someone stated before, EVERYONE that I know of that has bought the kit has been happy with it. That speaks louder to me than some fool saying I should have bought heads/cam because he thinks it's better.
Most of us that are gonn apush this system bought it for the following reason:
#1 Great price on the base kit
#2 To be different, especially when everyone said it will never work
#3 To be able to upgrade in the future
I knew from the get-go that this would wind up costing me about $5k but it was cheaper than any kit on the market that I knew of for my truck.
As for adding all these extra parts. Firstly i don't see the need for headers at all. They didn't seem to help me at al so I removed mine and went back to stock. I did the methanol at first because I thought the FMIC wouldn't work well with the STS kit. After finding out I didn't like using the meth I decided to try a FMIC. At this point if I could do it all over again I would have just got the IC which still kept me under $4500 installed.
These kits are still experimental when it comes to big power. They were designed for basic power upgrades and some of us freaks are trying to see how far they can really go so it's trial and error just like anyhting relating to HP in this world
I'm not going to argue it's pros or cons over a front mount. I am just telling you my reasons for getting the kit and why I have 2 forms of cooling even thougth I don't even use the meth right now.
It really doesn't matter though. Like someone stated before, EVERYONE that I know of that has bought the kit has been happy with it. That speaks louder to me than some fool saying I should have bought heads/cam because he thinks it's better.
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You just don't get it.. 5psi is 5psi is 5psi
ANY other debate will apply to ALL the other F/I kits as well (fueling, rods, Compression Ratio, cams, etc.)
ANY other debate will apply to ALL the other F/I kits as well (fueling, rods, Compression Ratio, cams, etc.)
Someone made a GREAT topic on that exact topic not too long ago.
YOU guys threw in the H/C/Bottle arguement, SO why aren't you bashing the base kit ATI guys? Why aren't you bashing the base kit Vortech guys?
gg (again)