ATI procharger, help
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ATI procharger, help I have been looking at the ATI prochargers and have discovered that there are a lot of options with them
I want to go with the P-1SC kit at 5 or 7psi and i have seen price ranges from 3500-4700 bucks for em'.
I want the full kit at 5 or 7psi (its adjustable right? according to the wastegate set up ?) and I have seen that you are given a programmer with one of these set ups and that is the one that costs 4700. IS the programmer ATI's programmer for the 7psi or is it a tuneable program you can use to tune your car for the 7psi??
I also know that the 3500 set up is the full kit w/o the programmer, I'm going to get my car tuned with LS1 edit at a tuning shop in durham so i don't think that i will need the progammer from ATI.
I'm going to call ATI and talk to them, I just wanted to know if anyone up here already has a set up like this and basic information about it.
I want to go with the P-1SC kit at 5 or 7psi and i have seen price ranges from 3500-4700 bucks for em'.
I want the full kit at 5 or 7psi (its adjustable right? according to the wastegate set up ?) and I have seen that you are given a programmer with one of these set ups and that is the one that costs 4700. IS the programmer ATI's programmer for the 7psi or is it a tuneable program you can use to tune your car for the 7psi??
I also know that the 3500 set up is the full kit w/o the programmer, I'm going to get my car tuned with LS1 edit at a tuning shop in durham so i don't think that i will need the progammer from ATI.
I'm going to call ATI and talk to them, I just wanted to know if anyone up here already has a set up like this and basic information about it.
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Edit is a great tool for these kits.... you won't need that crap FMU either w/edit. Make sure you get some injectors and you'll be good for 5-7...I would go with the D- kit.... You'll have more room to upgrade in the future... All of us who purchased the P series are looking at small boost #'s...not many options.. 
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no, i have heard 6-7 on the d-kits...too many factors.....first your pulley setup.. if you run a big blower pulley, bigger than 4.0, and factory crank pulley....yea, you can make small boost. I bet you'll be changing it though... as it becomes alot of fun... plus the cfm of your heads, cam, exhaust setup.... thats sort of thing determines your boost #'s.....
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yeh dude, the only thing is im not going to get greedy with this. I want my car to last and i'm only looking for hitting the 11's and a fun daily driver. do you seriously think it is worth the d-1sc kit? that kit is almost cheaper than the p-1sc too.
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when i get this i will be running on stock motor (cept for HPP3 programmer --> getting rid of; 160 thermo; ls6 intake) and then i will be getting FULL EXHAUST. 1 7/8 inch hookers and 2 3/4 y-pipe and new muffler.
we will also have a moser 12 bolt to have some fun with
we will also have a moser 12 bolt to have some fun with
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yeh dude, the only thing is im not going to get greedy with this.
Mark
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ZL1Killa I've been doing alot of research on this very same question P-1 or D-1 and the results have been to go with the D-1. Basically, the D-1 will not work as hard to produce the same amount of boost and will produce boost just as fast as the smaller P-1. Plus you will have the room to grow as the more gready you get. I have also seen the D-1 with the 4" blower pulley show as low as 5psi of boost with headers and a good exhaust, which is definately safe for a stock lower half.
My question is where are you finding the kits for $3500. If not a sponsor pm me
My question is where are you finding the kits for $3500. If not a sponsor pm me
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Originally Posted by No Juice
My question is where are you finding the kits for $3500. If not a sponsor pm me
New D1SCs can be had for low 4Ks from our sponsors, they just can't advertise the price because ATI won't let then. You have to call them.
From personal experience I can tell you the final bill is a hell of a lot more than $4K when all is said and done. Valve springs, fuel pump, gauges, tuning, tires, clutch, etc, etc,..
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You're confusing turbos and blowers together a little bit. turbos have wastegates, and yes that is how THEY adjust their boost. But we don't have that luxury. Blowers are pullied for boost. Meaning the amount of air your compressor will push depends on the size of your crank and S/C pully. Most people will swap out the s/c pully to raise or lower boost. there's a ton of info you need to soak up before doing this in my opinion. you're going about it the right way though. This is a valuable site. the search function is your friend.
As for the D1/P1 debate. From what I've read and seen, the general consensus is if you are absolutely 100% positively sure you won't want to upgrade later the P1s are supposed to be more efficient at low boost levels. The D1 will move more air, give you more peak power, and give you more ability to grow. But the P1 is slightly cheaper and can give you more area under the curve at low boost. In general it's wise to pay the extra $130 to get the D1 from the get go. Upgrading later can be very costly.
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As for the D1/P1 debate. From what I've read and seen, the general consensus is if you are absolutely 100% positively sure you won't want to upgrade later the P1s are supposed to be more efficient at low boost levels. The D1 will move more air, give you more peak power, and give you more ability to grow. But the P1 is slightly cheaper and can give you more area under the curve at low boost. In general it's wise to pay the extra $130 to get the D1 from the get go. Upgrading later can be very costly.
Mike
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I have heard that you can exchange the head unit... I may be paying the extra $$$ in the future....If i remember correctly, its 1000-1300 to upgrade to a d1..... pockets are getting smaller and smaller....
I am so glad i went with the D1-SC...... I dont believe ATI does a turn in or alot of the guys on here would of recieved something for there D1 head units when they stepped up to F1 head units......... Go with a D1-SC i know you can get a Kit for Low $4K.. But thats just the beginning..... It adds up...
Base D1-SC kit.. Say $4300
Racetronixs intank fuel pump $260
42# Injectors $350
Mechanical Boost gauge $50
Electrical Fuel Pressure gauge $200 has to be Electrical or is not NHRA legal(canot run fuel into cab)
A-pillar gauge pod $45
Wideband tuning on the dyno $500-$675
Total $5880
and then...... if your on a stock 10 bolt and you do get traction.... say bye bye rearend ($2500) and beefing up the tranny to take the extra power also..... Then if you have mods already and they send you a 4" blower pulley like they di dme back when i had a 6 rib setup and you make 4psi w/ a baby cam and LT's when they said you would make 8psi.... so $92 later after another pulley change you finally see the boost you want tna dthen you run into the dreaded belt slip issue......(wich we have solved now with the SDCE 8 Rib setup $700)... then there alway the possibility that a piston gives up........... just be ready is alll i have to say.... on most things ive been there done that with these ATI kits...... I finally have it doing what i want over a year later.......
Kyle
Base D1-SC kit.. Say $4300
Racetronixs intank fuel pump $260
42# Injectors $350
Mechanical Boost gauge $50
Electrical Fuel Pressure gauge $200 has to be Electrical or is not NHRA legal(canot run fuel into cab)
A-pillar gauge pod $45
Wideband tuning on the dyno $500-$675
Total $5880
and then...... if your on a stock 10 bolt and you do get traction.... say bye bye rearend ($2500) and beefing up the tranny to take the extra power also..... Then if you have mods already and they send you a 4" blower pulley like they di dme back when i had a 6 rib setup and you make 4psi w/ a baby cam and LT's when they said you would make 8psi.... so $92 later after another pulley change you finally see the boost you want tna dthen you run into the dreaded belt slip issue......(wich we have solved now with the SDCE 8 Rib setup $700)... then there alway the possibility that a piston gives up........... just be ready is alll i have to say.... on most things ive been there done that with these ATI kits...... I finally have it doing what i want over a year later.......
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I still have mine. Now that I have a turbo im going to sell it.
D1SC Kit from Speed Inc.
Inline fuel pump
42lbs injectors
Twin Innercoolers
Polish Plenum.
Only had it on for about 8k miles. Oil changed everytime.
Made 510rwhp on 6lbs pulley (only saw 4lbs of boost on gauge due to LPE heads)
That dyno was on a safe tune with my LPE Topend kit.
Call Speed Inc. they will tell ya how well I took care the kit and car.
I would have Speed Inc. install it to. They did one hell of a job.
$4000 for everything. Pics of the Procharger system are in my sign.
Email me if intrested. We can work out something. Been holding on to it for a friend who came on some hard times recently. So its forsale again.
D1SC Kit from Speed Inc.
Inline fuel pump
42lbs injectors
Twin Innercoolers
Polish Plenum.
Only had it on for about 8k miles. Oil changed everytime.
Made 510rwhp on 6lbs pulley (only saw 4lbs of boost on gauge due to LPE heads)
That dyno was on a safe tune with my LPE Topend kit.
Call Speed Inc. they will tell ya how well I took care the kit and car.
I would have Speed Inc. install it to. They did one hell of a job.
$4000 for everything. Pics of the Procharger system are in my sign.
Email me if intrested. We can work out something. Been holding on to it for a friend who came on some hard times recently. So its forsale again.
i believe ati has an upgrade from the P1sc to D1sc, as they are the same blower, with a different wheel, the F series is a much larger blower.
but it is not cheap to upgrade.
Personally, if i was going to do a ATI blower, here is what i would do.
used D1sc, $1500-2K
SDCE spring loaded tensioner. $800
OBX front mount, with piping $600
ATI superdampener $500-600
then of course the other supporting mods. fuel system, clutch, ect.
Ryan
but it is not cheap to upgrade.
Personally, if i was going to do a ATI blower, here is what i would do.
used D1sc, $1500-2K
SDCE spring loaded tensioner. $800
OBX front mount, with piping $600
ATI superdampener $500-600
then of course the other supporting mods. fuel system, clutch, ect.
Ryan
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Originally Posted by freakynipples69
were can i get a D-1 ATI system for around 4k? I'm seeing 5k at most sites I looked at.
Like I said before, used kits go for 3K if you want to go that route
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Originally Posted by 2002 Trans Am
Call Tbyrne, they can't post the price, you have to call them, but it is low 4,000s for a brand new D1SC kit
Like I said before, used kits go for 3K if you want to go that route
Like I said before, used kits go for 3K if you want to go that route
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Originally Posted by LINGENFELTER SS
Well good luck finding them for 3k. Glad they come with injectors and fuel pump. Show me a deal for 3k Procharger D1SC kit kit with everything to make it run as is. That would be the best ive seen!Ever! Good luck
I said a D1SC kit, now do yourself a favor and use the "Search" key and you'll see what I am talking....not to mention its been said many many times, and i've only been in the FI section for a few months.
A little advice for you, if you plan on selling your kit, I would drop the price down to somewhere around 3500, that is a little more realistic.