Pics of LS1 F-Body with roots style blower mounted
11-18-2004, 08:29 PM
#61
Customer Base Questions:
1) To whom are you marketing this blower for? IMO, it's not to the serious racer. Rather, it must be the daily-driver or weekend warrior. If this is the case, will the latter want to cut the cowl?
2) Can the blower be redesigned in the back so that it's sloped or angled to fit under the cowl without cutting?
1) To whom are you marketing this blower for? IMO, it's not to the serious racer. Rather, it must be the daily-driver or weekend warrior. If this is the case, will the latter want to cut the cowl?
2) Can the blower be redesigned in the back so that it's sloped or angled to fit under the cowl without cutting?
11-18-2004, 10:25 PM
#62
Originally Posted by MeentSS02
Now, for a technical question...in my eyes, a nice little shot of nitrous would be plenty to cool down the intake charge. Is the 530-540 rwhp limit just the blower alone? If you built the engine to hold up to a nice shot of the giggle AND the blower, you could even turn some great track times if you so desired, and have a really fun car to drive on the street. No bracket issues, no finding ways to plumb a FMIC, no finding ways to stuff turbos into places they just weren't designed to fit, just a clean install and a good finished product.
Steve
Steve
I plan on spraying my '69 and my goals are 9s on the gas. 10s on the blower
11-19-2004, 08:30 AM
#64
Originally Posted by Nine Ball
The 530-540 is just the limits of the blower pushing air into the engine. Nitrous is definitely going to add power. You could probably spray a 75 shot and pick up 110 or so rwhp. Nitrous also works as a very efficient aftercooler
I plan on spraying my '69 and my goals are 9s on the gas. 10s on the blower
I plan on spraying my '69 and my goals are 9s on the gas. 10s on the blower
And to 99Andrew...yes, there are some of us daily driver/weekend warrior types that have no problems cutting their cowl. That isn't a huge cut anyways.
11-19-2004, 10:08 AM
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99Andrew... You have to realize, that a setup like this, ie. mounted on top of the engine, is going to run into space constraints. Your comment regarding the target market and folks wanting to cut the cowl are mutually exclusive. To run a setup like this you would need to cut the cowl to fit the supercharger. Now that is the reason why there has not been a kit like this for the 93-02 F-Bodies for over ten years.
11-19-2004, 11:12 AM
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So lets say u put this on a 10:1 400RWHP H/C car.Then added the I/C 7lbs kit to it,what would u pick up and would the stock cr be too hard on the engine.I'd say it would pick up 90RW easy,maybe alittle more but again how long would the stock 10.1 shortblock last.
Anyone....
FWIW
I'd rather have the Blower then N20....
Anyone....
FWIW
I'd rather have the Blower then N20....
11-20-2004, 03:34 AM
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I've been waiting for a kit such as this, hopefully it can work under the stock hood with an intercooler. I'm sure the other forced induction makes more power if you are looking for max power, but this is my daily driver and need some more low end torque to really get this beast moving. Cutting the cowl isnt so bad since its not a huge chunk, but if the price is to high no one will buy this except a few.
Does anyone know how well the Corvettes with magnachargers are holding up with these engines? I know high boost isn't going to last to long, but what about low boost, is it still a toss-up whether the engine will stand 5 miles or 50 thousand miles?
Does anyone know how well the Corvettes with magnachargers are holding up with these engines? I know high boost isn't going to last to long, but what about low boost, is it still a toss-up whether the engine will stand 5 miles or 50 thousand miles?
11-21-2004, 07:06 AM
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I found this artical that was written not to long ago that talks about the GTo kit and has pics of it apart and showing the intercooler
http://highperformancepontiac.com/tech/0411pon_blown/
http://highperformancepontiac.com/tech/0411pon_blown/
11-21-2004, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
The 530-540 is just the limits of the blower pushing air into the engine. Nitrous is definitely going to add power. You could probably spray a 75 shot and pick up 110 or so rwhp. Nitrous also works as a very efficient aftercooler
I plan on spraying my '69 and my goals are 9s on the gas. 10s on the blower
I plan on spraying my '69 and my goals are 9s on the gas. 10s on the blower
, but with a blower like this which would be better to spray: dry, wet, DP?
11-21-2004, 12:02 PM
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http://www.superchargersonline.com/hp_calculator.asp
I found this to use as a rough estament calculator.
I found this to use as a rough estament calculator.
11-21-2004, 09:18 PM
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PSJ - John. Pardon me for asking, but how many ppl have looked closely at the pic#3 and the Non Intercooled Vette pic on MaganChargers site------>.
Other than being polished, it looks nearly identical *scratching head*
And some questions:
Whats the displacement of this?
It is an M112 housing correct, like the corvette one?
*MAGNACHARGER SITE SAYS VETTE USES M112, AND THEY LOOK IDENTICAL TO ME*
How is the belt in rear adjusted for tension to prevent slippage or not an issue and why not?
*COULDNT FIND ANYTHING ON THIS*
Is there any way to pulley this for more boost, or is this already setup for max impeller RPM at the given 5? psi?
*SITE SAYS NONIC IS 4.5-5, IC SUPPOSED TO BE A LITTLE MORE, PROBABLY 7PSI*
And lastly, is the IC manifold base internal passages, or does it tap into the cooling system fed by a hose? If it is fed by a hose, then it would be easy to add an additional exteranl W2A IC to help keep the charge even cooler.
*SITE SAYS IT IS AN INDEPENDENT SYSTEM UTILIZING A REMOTE EXCHANGER MOUNTED IN FRONT OF RADIATOR, VERY NICE*
I dont go to the Vette boards, so I havent got a lot of info on this particular kind of setup. But I am very interested in it. I love the idea of having the low end torque, not that I really need too much more !traction. But, I want to get around 650rwhp at the track, I know Nitrous can do that with this setup, but why not pulley it to have it all the time. Maybe its a simple matter of max impeller speed vs. displacement of SC itself, where as a 3.3L would make humangus gains over this.
*NEW QUESTION: Lets say on a stock application this kit maxs out at 500rwhp. Now with a cam, headers and other little things it will make that much more power correct? *I am FI dumb yes I am*.
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Other than being polished, it looks nearly identical *scratching head*
And some questions:
Whats the displacement of this?
It is an M112 housing correct, like the corvette one?
*MAGNACHARGER SITE SAYS VETTE USES M112, AND THEY LOOK IDENTICAL TO ME*
How is the belt in rear adjusted for tension to prevent slippage or not an issue and why not?
*COULDNT FIND ANYTHING ON THIS*
Is there any way to pulley this for more boost, or is this already setup for max impeller RPM at the given 5? psi?
*SITE SAYS NONIC IS 4.5-5, IC SUPPOSED TO BE A LITTLE MORE, PROBABLY 7PSI*
And lastly, is the IC manifold base internal passages, or does it tap into the cooling system fed by a hose? If it is fed by a hose, then it would be easy to add an additional exteranl W2A IC to help keep the charge even cooler.
*SITE SAYS IT IS AN INDEPENDENT SYSTEM UTILIZING A REMOTE EXCHANGER MOUNTED IN FRONT OF RADIATOR, VERY NICE*
I dont go to the Vette boards, so I havent got a lot of info on this particular kind of setup. But I am very interested in it. I love the idea of having the low end torque, not that I really need too much more !traction. But, I want to get around 650rwhp at the track, I know Nitrous can do that with this setup, but why not pulley it to have it all the time. Maybe its a simple matter of max impeller speed vs. displacement of SC itself, where as a 3.3L would make humangus gains over this.
*NEW QUESTION: Lets say on a stock application this kit maxs out at 500rwhp. Now with a cam, headers and other little things it will make that much more power correct? *I am FI dumb yes I am*.
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Last edited by CAT3; 11-21-2004 at 09:51 PM.
11-23-2004, 08:24 AM
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CAT3:
-the blowers look like Magnachargers because Eaton builds them. They are all Eaton supercharger bodies.
-the belt in the back has a screw you tighten to adjust tension. simple setup, works well.
-stock drive pulley on Magnachargers is typically a 3.5" one, good for 6-7 psi. I have a 2.90 pulley on mine, it makes around 8.5 to 9 psi.
-cooling system is all external. There is just an IC inside the manifold, and the hoses go into and out of the manifold to an external resevoir, then into an electric pump, thru the heat exchanger (mounted to front of radiator) and back into the intake. You can fill that resevoir with ice if you wish.
-the hp limits of this setup are based on how much air it can move. 500-530 rwhp would be about the max of them. You could slap it on a 427ci LS1 and it wouldn't make more power, it simply couldn't feed that size engine enough air.
-the blowers look like Magnachargers because Eaton builds them. They are all Eaton supercharger bodies.
-the belt in the back has a screw you tighten to adjust tension. simple setup, works well.
-stock drive pulley on Magnachargers is typically a 3.5" one, good for 6-7 psi. I have a 2.90 pulley on mine, it makes around 8.5 to 9 psi.
-cooling system is all external. There is just an IC inside the manifold, and the hoses go into and out of the manifold to an external resevoir, then into an electric pump, thru the heat exchanger (mounted to front of radiator) and back into the intake. You can fill that resevoir with ice if you wish.
-the hp limits of this setup are based on how much air it can move. 500-530 rwhp would be about the max of them. You could slap it on a 427ci LS1 and it wouldn't make more power, it simply couldn't feed that size engine enough air.
11-23-2004, 09:56 AM
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I'd imagine if I went to a 6.0 head my CR would drop back down to 9.5CR.I'd probably lose 20RW doing that but gain 90RW from the blower.If I picked up 70RWH/70RWTQ that would be pretty good.I'd have and easy 450/450,would make for a wicked street car.
The other benefit would be a Yank SS4000,that would feel tighter than my TP4200.
The car wouldnt leave as hard but pull alot harder from the 330 to the end.
10's would be easy w/this setup.
Tony,I bet your car flys (500RW)
What trans/verter setup are u running or is your 69 a 6sp.
The other benefit would be a Yank SS4000,that would feel tighter than my TP4200.
The car wouldnt leave as hard but pull alot harder from the 330 to the end.
10's would be easy w/this setup.
Tony,I bet your car flys (500RW)
What trans/verter setup are u running or is your 69 a 6sp.
11-23-2004, 05:46 PM
#79
Originally Posted by Nine Ball
The 530-540 is just the limits of the blower pushing air into the engine. Nitrous is definitely going to add power. You could probably spray a 75 shot and pick up 110 or so rwhp. Nitrous also works as a very efficient aftercooler
I plan on spraying my '69 and my goals are 9s on the gas. 10s on the blower
I plan on spraying my '69 and my goals are 9s on the gas. 10s on the blower
