now for something really funny..
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now for something really funny.. all this past season with the 346" ARE engine was done while using a stock 1998 ls1 cam.
i put the cam i thought i had up for sale along with another that were just in my closet and got them mixed up. i brought a set of digital calipers home from work so i could tell which cam was which.
i subtracted the base circle length from the lobe length and got .277int and .281ex which is right on a stock 98 cam. not quite the 226/224 .523/.510 115*) custom turbo cam i was sold.
*edit .277"=.471int" & .281"=.478ex" valve lift*
with this cam's help i got 787rwhp and my 9.92 and 144.69mph (@3800# w/driver) anybody else made around those marks on stock cam?
anyways if somebody really wants it its still for sale
name your price or i'm just going to throw it away.
i put the cam i thought i had up for sale along with another that were just in my closet and got them mixed up. i brought a set of digital calipers home from work so i could tell which cam was which.
i subtracted the base circle length from the lobe length and got .277int and .281ex which is right on a stock 98 cam. not quite the 226/224 .523/.510 115*) custom turbo cam i was sold.
*edit .277"=.471int" & .281"=.478ex" valve lift*
with this cam's help i got 787rwhp and my 9.92 and 144.69mph (@3800# w/driver) anybody else made around those marks on stock cam?
anyways if somebody really wants it its still for sale
name your price or i'm just going to throw it away. imagine that!! Glad you figured that out Dave...makes you wonder how peeps get by in life with **** like that. When I looked at your dyno, I definitely wondered about the peaks....thats why I wanted to know the VE.
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My 231/226 idles almost like stock so I can see where that cam would sound close to stock. Besides David just wanted to drive something at that point. He had been dying to get back in da game
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Originally Posted by cablebandit
My 231/226 idles almost like stock
I think we have different definitions of 'idles almost like stock'
And yeah, I would have drove it too, but I would have noticed if the cam was stock.
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the response was it was because of the low compression and the wide lsa was why it was not choppy.. i got it as a long block and was not interested in pulling it down to 'check' (additionally i hadn't even pulled or measured a cam at that point in my hobby) so it makes sense to not immediately open up a brand new engine when it was working just fine.
not being a professional in the field myself, i have to rely on what i am told by other professionals to be the truth.. it sucks when it is taken advantage of. i even thanked nick for comming up with a cam so stealthy that worked so well.. ugg.
not being a professional in the field myself, i have to rely on what i am told by other professionals to be the truth.. it sucks when it is taken advantage of. i even thanked nick for comming up with a cam so stealthy that worked so well.. ugg.
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Originally Posted by MIGHTYMOUSE
not being a professional in the field myself, i have to rely on what i am told by other professionals to be the truth.. it sucks when it is taken advantage of. i even thanked nick for comming up with a cam so stealthy that worked so well.. ugg.
Am I missing something here? You shouldn't be bashing ARE for the work they did on your car. They put together a great motor for you in avery short period of time and it ran awesome.
If I am misunderstanding your post I aplogize.
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I dont know the hole story, but if i remeber, ARE did build him a good motor, after the first (maybe 2nd) try.
not sure if he is "bashing them" i think more showing that his car was TWEEKED!!!!!! and making power. kind of like the song there, its like rain on you wedding day, bla bla"
not sure if he is "bashing them" i think more showing that his car was TWEEKED!!!!!! and making power. kind of like the song there, its like rain on you wedding day, bla bla"
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He cracked a sleeve on his first motor if I remember correctly. There other issues at the time (backpressure through the turbo) contributed to that. That's not to say there wasnt other problems but I am not sure
Last edited by Chris ARE 385; Dec 21, 2004 at 08:06 AM.
I agree about all that power on a stock cam. Chris if you want real intended ARE bashing, I can do that. I was ripped off on rods I returned and never got my core money back. FACT. That was a long time ago though.
David, I still think the smaller cams can run the same numbers as the big cams IF
the stall isn't optimized for the big cam. Example....my bigger cam runs slower in the 1/8 than the smaller cam it replaced but out MPH the smaller cam on the big end. I think that stock cam was a real help for your 6 speed in the first 330'.
I just wonder what kind of beast you are building now??!!!!
David, I still think the smaller cams can run the same numbers as the big cams IF
the stall isn't optimized for the big cam. Example....my bigger cam runs slower in the 1/8 than the smaller cam it replaced but out MPH the smaller cam on the big end. I think that stock cam was a real help for your 6 speed in the first 330'.
I just wonder what kind of beast you are building now??!!!!
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Originally Posted by cablebandit
I agree about all that power on a stock cam. Chris if you want real intended ARE bashing, I can do that. I was ripped off on rods I returned and never got my core money back. FACT. That was a long time ago though.
David, I still think the smaller cams can run the same numbers as the big cams IF
the stall isn't optimized for the big cam. Example....my bigger cam runs slower in the 1/8 than the smaller cam it replaced but out MPH the smaller cam on the big end. I think that stock cam was a real help for your 6 speed in the first 330'.
I just wonder what kind of beast you are building now??!!!!
David, I still think the smaller cams can run the same numbers as the big cams IF
the stall isn't optimized for the big cam. Example....my bigger cam runs slower in the 1/8 than the smaller cam it replaced but out MPH the smaller cam on the big end. I think that stock cam was a real help for your 6 speed in the first 330'.
I just wonder what kind of beast you are building now??!!!!
I just remember him posting about how happy he was/is with the motor and the circumstances surrounding the build.
I know they built it in a tight timeline when he drove up and AFAIK he gave them the cam to put in.
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Here is his post from when the motor got rebuilt. I bolded the part about the cam
you may recall a post where nick asked about how my engine was doing, and offered to refresh it. well the blow by was getting worse and oil consumption was never appropriate so i took him up on it.
the problem was time, i have a show to be at this friday the 30th at the beach so i had to decide whether to do it now or later, nick still said we could do it in time if i bought it to him to skip the slow shipping. with that i yanked the engine and hauled it up to them this past weekend. (rice etr, jarrod spit the driving duty).
11 hours each way. nick had the guys stay and work saturday just for my engine to get done which was just awesome
turns out my block had a crack in the sleeve, and that same piston (7) had some f'd up ringlands. the rest of the engine had wear comparable to paul morris (warbirds) engine which was still up there. the wear jived with the leakdown results that george at turbotech got before the new system was installed.
since the block could not be reused without new sleeves, and not having time for that, they outfitted me with a brand new z06 block, new bearings, reused my lunati rods and cam, replaced all the pistons and rings, new oil pump, rebuilt my heads and threw in a set of main studs on the house... all it cost me was a trip and back to canada but it was WELL worth it.
been busting *** since then and finally the engine fired up today and it runs just perfect.. After gettin home i put the same type cometic 3.910 mls head gaskets as i used before to 80# and this time sprayed some of that copper stuff on them i had heard here and there about a couple hundred miles to seat the new rings and i'm sure it will put down 650 on pump with the same boost level..
i'm soo happy with ARE for their efforts, it made up for the down moments in the past and i look forward to the 'built' engine i will be working with them on for next season
the problem was time, i have a show to be at this friday the 30th at the beach so i had to decide whether to do it now or later, nick still said we could do it in time if i bought it to him to skip the slow shipping. with that i yanked the engine and hauled it up to them this past weekend. (rice etr, jarrod spit the driving duty).
11 hours each way. nick had the guys stay and work saturday just for my engine to get done which was just awesome
turns out my block had a crack in the sleeve, and that same piston (7) had some f'd up ringlands. the rest of the engine had wear comparable to paul morris (warbirds) engine which was still up there. the wear jived with the leakdown results that george at turbotech got before the new system was installed.
since the block could not be reused without new sleeves, and not having time for that, they outfitted me with a brand new z06 block, new bearings, reused my lunati rods and cam, replaced all the pistons and rings, new oil pump, rebuilt my heads and threw in a set of main studs on the house... all it cost me was a trip and back to canada but it was WELL worth it.
been busting *** since then and finally the engine fired up today and it runs just perfect.. After gettin home i put the same type cometic 3.910 mls head gaskets as i used before to 80# and this time sprayed some of that copper stuff on them i had heard here and there about a couple hundred miles to seat the new rings and i'm sure it will put down 650 on pump with the same boost level..
i'm soo happy with ARE for their efforts, it made up for the down moments in the past and i look forward to the 'built' engine i will be working with them on for next season