Bryan Wilkinson

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I have nothing against you, but we need to refrain from jumping into a thread, and talking trash. I have a hard time seeing where the B***S*** is in making an engine as efficient as possible. You brought it up by sticking your nose into the thread, and putting me and my ideas down. So here are the questions as you requested. Answer away!!

I was requested by Jim to post this question to him in a new thread. This question is related to engine efficency.

So here you go Jim, I await your answers.

I am not doubting your numbers, and I am not doubting what you car did at the track, we are all cool there. You have proven you are the man.

However as this is about efficency and you have thrown this in my face, here are the questions

Mine 822RWHP @16PSI 5800RPM 93 Octane 22 degrees
Yours 847RWHP @20PSi @ what RPM???? what gas, what timing

Mine 753RWTQ@ 16PSI 5200RPM 93 Octane 22 degrees
Yours 847RWTQ@ 20PSI @ what RPM???what gas, what timing

This is about engine efficiency, so if you are going to throw out some numbers (which is perfectly fine) we need to make sure we are comparing apples to apples.

Make no mistake, You know and I know and everyone else that knows anything about tuning I can throw race gas at this, raise the timing, and be at or above you on the TQ, we know what would happen to the HP number.

We can talk track numbers as soon as I can get it to the track, also with your track time and trap speed on your race gas,

what was the weight of your "Street" car with you in it and ?
do you still have all of your emmission stuff still on the car, ?
and did it pass emissions legally. ?
And is the interior in the car. ?

If you dont mind answering the above questions, I am looking forward to being proven wrong. I mean I would like to keep the competiton fair, right?

Thanks

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Lol, ok here we go.

And for the record, I have nothing against you either, and I am not putting down your views on the importance of efficiency (which I happen to agree with).

I posted some quotes from the other thread, that I find completely innacurate and useless. The first quote of yours just adds humor to the BS that follows.

"it just gets so irritating when people start throwing out information that they have no understanding of. The forum is suppose to be where people can go and get useful information and as usual what we have here is people that have absolutely no clue what they are talking about"

"Boost and What gas you run have absolutely nothing to do with each other."


"What he should have said is static compression ratio. If the static compression ratio never gets to a detonation point, then the amount of boost has no reference to his statement."

"I'll tell you why, because I would rather have a supercharged or turbo'd motor that showed zero boost than one with 30#'s."

"I would think the PCM would know more about what was safe and what was not. If it thought it was unsafe, it would cut the timing, would it not?"

"Low RPM drivablity is depentent on one thing, intake velocity."

"obviously this conversation is beyond your comprehension.

Power is all about controlling heat in the combustion chamber. 110 is used to reduce that heat. You can do the same by adding fuel through the pcm, and adjusting the timing."

"Grant, When you make the power that I do, then you can challenge me on theroy"

"Supra's are nothing more than wanna be's, take your story to a tuner forum."

"Make no mistake, You know and I know and everyone else that knows anything about tuning I can throw race gas at this, raise the timing, and be at or above you on the TQ, we know what would happen to the HP number."

"Time at the track has 0 percent to do with this thread, take it somewhere else. We all know that if our cars weight the same, and have the same power, we will do the same at the track."


"I dont know how to tell someone that they continue to give bad information in a nice way. Perhaps we should set some guidelines on the forum that you cannot respond to questions, unless you have proven by fact that you understand the theories behind the question." -AGREED!


Now that we've got that out of the way, I will answer your question. Not sure what you're trying to prove, because obviously your platform is more efficient. (Allthough it still makes less power and is much slower)

847rwhp @ 20psi @ 5,650 @ 21 deg timing

847rwtq @ 20psi @ 4,750 @ 19 deg timing

Fuel is 50% 110 and 50% 93. Soon to be staged injection so race fuel will only be used under boost.

Compression ratio is 8.65-1 357ci 218/218 114lsa cam

Weight of my street car with me in it is 3,750lbs when it went 9.7 @ 149

www.ls1speed.com/movies/Jim_977.WMV

Weight with SLP exhaust is 3,780 when it went 9.6 @146

www.ls1speed.com/movies/jim_968.WMV (get used to the view)

-OBD2 with aftermarket ecu = not passing emissions. Your goal, not mine.

Original complete interior is in the car (as seen in video), as is abs, a/c, airbags, 60lbs of dynamat, power everything, bumper supports, swaybars, everything.

Could I make a few dyno pulls on 93 like you? Sure, but I choose reliability and longevity over saving a dollar a gallon on fuel.

Efficiency is nice but when does the cost outweigh the benefit? I could blow up my engine a few times, buy a few thousand gallons of race fuel and still have less money into my car than yours.

And if you want to compare your car to something more in it's league, compare it to our shop car.

427ci, 232/232 116lsa cam, 16psi boost, 21 degrees timing (112 octane fuel)

920rwhp, through a turbo 400


Again, not sure what you wanted to accomplish with this, but I hope I could help.

Patrick G

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jerrad

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OWNED haha j/k

Bryan Wilkinson

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There is not 1 thing that I said in that thread that was untrue.

and yes, It helped alot, at least now I know where you are coming from regarding your car and we can move on.

And if the whole efficency thing and emission thing is not your goal, why do you continue to jump into the conversation.

Being that you have a turbo setup, and my car makes less power, why dont we set your boost back to 16psi to match mine and see where that leaves you.

Your shop car is very impressive, though I cant seem to find anything about it on your site, perhaps you could point me in the right direction. I did see yours, you just need to update it.

Your car is indeed faster as I have yet to have my car at the track on the power I have, so until that day comes. you win, we shall soon put this to rest and if I cant seem to drive the car to a 150 trap speed so be it, but it will be on pump gas.

SilverGhost

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hey jimbo you really should have included a tube of KY jelly with that response for him don't you think

seriously, when are some people gonna learn the LAST thing you should do is question Jim's unreal knowledge of turbo applications. you the man bro!

and no i'm not some nutswinger, that's me guiding the burnout for jim in that 9.77 pass video, Jim's car and his knowledge are the real deal fo' sho'

StoleIt

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single power adder 427CI C5-R block VS single power adder 357CI LT1 not fair IMHO!

But Jim just that conversation.

SilverGhost

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Byran W--I don't see what trans you are running in your sig, what is it?

StoleIt

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www.ls1speed.com

should be there.

Bryan Wilkinson

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Stock 6 speed with upgraded forks

Bryan Wilkinson

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if you dont mind, can you post your dyno sheet.

Thanks

PRAY HRD

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150mph on pump gas...almost my goal. 155-160, or 8's at any mph on pump gas is my goal. but no emissions for me either, full interior minus console, Jim has me jealous with a/c, but i will be trying to get down to 3200 raceweight, and using a twin turbo non LS1 427sbc setup. hope that doesn't disqualify me.

let's keep it civil guys. remember, it's all for the love and fun of the sport. can't wait to see some new track times from you Jim, and your's as well Bryan.

take care,
Dave

StoleIt

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you drive that thing on a wish and a prayer? Good luck.

SScam68

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Hey Intm8, my wife just saw your vids and asked if you had a jet engine in there

SilverGhost

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who me?

k i got one question for you. can you race a dyno?

therefore, who gives a ****.

my car saw the dyno once, for Jim to tune it. the turd put down 413 RWHP and I don't remember so i don't give a crap what TQ through T56, Denny's heavy *** N20 DS, and 9" with spool(no lightened internals or anything)

BUT it went the et, mph, 60 foot in my sig at a decent 3300 lb raceweight.

why? because its set up to do that. the car actually utilizes what little power it manages to make with its 10.8:1 25mpg motor. that and i know how to drive, always helps.

if you aren't talking to me, i apologize..not that my response is jerkoff-ish or anything anyway IMO, just my usual rant about "can't race a fuckign dyno"

good luck at the track. add me to the list of those anxious to see your results. If you need any help, post up your q's over in drag racing tech and we'll be glad to help.

Bryan Wilkinson

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Again I am missing it, is it just that I am not driving it hard enough? I assume you are referring to the transmission.

Mark Williams 9"
BMR Extreme torque arm
Carbon Drive Shaft

whats the problem

StoleIt

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throwing 800+ rwhp at a basically stock t56 is pushing the limits IMHO.

SilverGhost

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I made total soup out of my stock T56 the nite i went 11.0.

I broke two driven gears, one synchro, all the slider keys.

trans was brand spankin new at the start of the season. held up to some helacious abuse IMO, but still..I destroyed the thing at my power levels.. that gives ya an idea of what you should be worried about

jerrad

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theres no way i would only have one hand on the wheel on a 800+ hp/tq car.

Wnts2Go10O

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i have one question, y compare 16psi to 20, doesnt power exponentially grow with boost level? or something the like?