Stenod Performance is starting another project car...
What kind of headers are you going to use on that? Duplicates of harlan's old headers?
The trans is very easy to drive once you get the hang of it. I try to keep the downshifting to a minimum since it just wears out the pro-gears faster. But as Derty said...just slap the throttle real quick as you downshift and it will clank right in there. I drove this car at least 5,000 miles last summer, so it does get driven quite a bit.
This should be a very sweet project. The pipe showed up today and hopefully the turbos will follow! We should be able to knock the rest of the cage out this weekend...not finish welded but tacked in there. If the turbos show up we can start fabbing up some of the hot sides. We'll make sure to throw some pictures of the project up with the progress this weekend
Originally Posted by 1BADWS6
We are going to use stock 5.3 truck manifolds, swapping sides and turning them around. This is the "budget" build up so we are trying to keep the cost down. Also the stock cast manifolds will hold up to the heat very well when I drive it on the street.
The trans is very easy to drive once you get the hang of it. I try to keep the downshifting to a minimum since it just wears out the pro-gears faster. But as Derty said...just slap the throttle real quick as you downshift and it will clank right in there. I drove this car at least 5,000 miles last summer, so it does get driven quite a bit.
This should be a very sweet project. The pipe showed up today and hopefully the turbos will follow! We should be able to knock the rest of the cage out this weekend...not finish welded but tacked in there. If the turbos show up we can start fabbing up some of the hot sides. We'll make sure to throw some pictures of the project up with the progress this weekend
The trans is very easy to drive once you get the hang of it. I try to keep the downshifting to a minimum since it just wears out the pro-gears faster. But as Derty said...just slap the throttle real quick as you downshift and it will clank right in there. I drove this car at least 5,000 miles last summer, so it does get driven quite a bit.
This should be a very sweet project. The pipe showed up today and hopefully the turbos will follow! We should be able to knock the rest of the cage out this weekend...not finish welded but tacked in there. If the turbos show up we can start fabbing up some of the hot sides. We'll make sure to throw some pictures of the project up with the progress this weekend
Sounds like a great project, should be a beast!
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I just got done reading the latest issue of hot rod which had an article excerpted from someone's book (I forget the author maybe someone will remind me) but went into the details about the various issues regarding the alum. blocks. Which years had revisions to castings to reniforce and make them stronger and increase oil flow ect. Guess my question is, how true are the statements about "if you're looking to make more than about 600HP you should think about making the weight sacrifice and going iron." I this get's brought up a lot, but sans the c5r stuff, will these blocks stand up to boost, obviously you have normal maintenance.
Originally Posted by sb427f-car
I just got done reading the latest issue of hot rod which had an article excerpted from someone's book (I forget the author maybe someone will remind me) but went into the details about the various issues regarding the alum. blocks. Which years had revisions to castings to reniforce and make them stronger and increase oil flow ect. Guess my question is, how true are the statements about "if you're looking to make more than about 600HP you should think about making the weight sacrifice and going iron." I this get's brought up a lot, but sans the c5r stuff, will these blocks stand up to boost, obviously you have normal maintenance.
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Originally Posted by LTLHOMER
I think Harlan's block held up pretty well to the abuse he put it through. I'm sure there are others with similar success stories.
That's what I thought. I mean, I've talked/read, researched numerous things about the strenghts of the alum gen III stuff for a while, which if you do the right upgrades and prep, they stand up to a lot of $#!%. That's why I was just a little skeptical about what was written. Question everything, trust nothing! LOL. I got to thinking about it and weight costs speed which costs money, so...I understand C5R blocks costing a boat load. It'll be interesting to see what happens with the advent of the LS7 and possible world aftermarket blocks. (though their new mod motor is close to 5 large)
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We screwed a lot of boost into Harlan's LS6 block and it held the boost just fine. Heads hover a little bit under the spark plug hole which is the weakest part of the head. We had at least 50 runs into the motor before we did a quick rebuild before Thunder.
In theory and practice what the magazines preach is true, iron will hold better than aluminum. It's simple physics and such a ambiguous statement. Yes some of the major improvements in the C5R block, including the alloy of aluminum used, help make that a stronger piece than the LS1 and subsequently the LS6. The LS2 has some newer features in the block that should help it's strength out even more. While very few people have had the opportunity to really look at let alone use a LS7 block, I would expect the design strength to rival and probably succeed the C5R in strength. I cannot comment on what the C6R is like, but I would expect there to be another round of evolutionary design in that casting.
IMO, having gone the modified LS6 route (4.100" bore) and looking at the cost of stock aluminum blocks. I would much rather take off the shelf aluminum blocks and build race motors with them than C5R blocks any day. Same could be said for iron blocks obviously. Wipe out a lifter or toss a rod and there is not much you can do to save any block. As new blocks come out there will be some upgrade opportunities for you to choose from. So far the factory blocks are running just as fast as the C5R blocks on any given race day. This year will certainly tell us a lot as everyone prepares to push them even harder.
In theory and practice what the magazines preach is true, iron will hold better than aluminum. It's simple physics and such a ambiguous statement. Yes some of the major improvements in the C5R block, including the alloy of aluminum used, help make that a stronger piece than the LS1 and subsequently the LS6. The LS2 has some newer features in the block that should help it's strength out even more. While very few people have had the opportunity to really look at let alone use a LS7 block, I would expect the design strength to rival and probably succeed the C5R in strength. I cannot comment on what the C6R is like, but I would expect there to be another round of evolutionary design in that casting.
IMO, having gone the modified LS6 route (4.100" bore) and looking at the cost of stock aluminum blocks. I would much rather take off the shelf aluminum blocks and build race motors with them than C5R blocks any day. Same could be said for iron blocks obviously. Wipe out a lifter or toss a rod and there is not much you can do to save any block. As new blocks come out there will be some upgrade opportunities for you to choose from. So far the factory blocks are running just as fast as the C5R blocks on any given race day. This year will certainly tell us a lot as everyone prepares to push them even harder.
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Honestly though a proshifted tranny isn't that bad for a weekend car only. Buddy of mine has a proshifted TKO behind a 306 ford in his cobra kit car, he shifts that at 8000 and I have never, ever seen him miss a shift in it. He always brings it out when we go make a rucus on the street and doesn't have a problem downshifting or keeping up or anything. But judging from the fact that they originally planned on an aluminum rod setup I wouldn't count ont his seeing too much street time.
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Originally Posted by DERTY
We screwed a lot of boost into Harlan's LS6 block and it held the boost just fine. Heads hover a little bit under the spark plug hole which is the weakest part of the head. We had at least 50 runs into the motor before we did a quick rebuild before Thunder.
In theory and practice what the magazines preach is true, iron will hold better than aluminum. It's simple physics and such a ambiguous statement. Yes some of the major improvements in the C5R block, including the alloy of aluminum used, help make that a stronger piece than the LS1 and subsequently the LS6. The LS2 has some newer features in the block that should help it's strength out even more. While very few people have had the opportunity to really look at let alone use a LS7 block, I would expect the design strength to rival and probably succeed the C5R in strength. I cannot comment on what the C6R is like, but I would expect there to be another round of evolutionary design in that casting.
IMO, having gone the modified LS6 route (4.100" bore) and looking at the cost of stock aluminum blocks. I would much rather take off the shelf aluminum blocks and build race motors with them than C5R blocks any day. Same could be said for iron blocks obviously. Wipe out a lifter or toss a rod and there is not much you can do to save any block. As new blocks come out there will be some upgrade opportunities for you to choose from. So far the factory blocks are running just as fast as the C5R blocks on any given race day. This year will certainly tell us a lot as everyone prepares to push them even harder.
In theory and practice what the magazines preach is true, iron will hold better than aluminum. It's simple physics and such a ambiguous statement. Yes some of the major improvements in the C5R block, including the alloy of aluminum used, help make that a stronger piece than the LS1 and subsequently the LS6. The LS2 has some newer features in the block that should help it's strength out even more. While very few people have had the opportunity to really look at let alone use a LS7 block, I would expect the design strength to rival and probably succeed the C5R in strength. I cannot comment on what the C6R is like, but I would expect there to be another round of evolutionary design in that casting.
IMO, having gone the modified LS6 route (4.100" bore) and looking at the cost of stock aluminum blocks. I would much rather take off the shelf aluminum blocks and build race motors with them than C5R blocks any day. Same could be said for iron blocks obviously. Wipe out a lifter or toss a rod and there is not much you can do to save any block. As new blocks come out there will be some upgrade opportunities for you to choose from. So far the factory blocks are running just as fast as the C5R blocks on any given race day. This year will certainly tell us a lot as everyone prepares to push them even harder.
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Originally Posted by DERTY
The pictures moved during some cleanup. Just go back into the Gallery.
haha, dumbass me didn't actually click on the photo ALBUM :hitself:
I see it now...looks good from my quick glance @ the thumbnails.
Originally Posted by sb427f-car
Who runs the camera? Need to let it auto focus a bit better, 
j/k it's prolly either Joe/Kevin I would imagine.