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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 07:21 PM
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hey guys,

I hate to sound like a total newbie, but instead of posting all of my questions in a post, is there someone who I can PM, or email to answer some of my questions.

I might be selling my camaro, and use that money for upgrades on my WS6. So I'm looking into a turbo or supercharger.

So who ever it is has to know a bit about both?

thanks guys
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 07:27 PM
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There are several very knowledgable posters in this forum. Ask away.

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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 07:40 PM
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thanks mark

I'm still debating with myself whether to sell my camaro or not. Its an 1987 Iroc, shes pretty mint, less than 50k miles on her, and she was my first car. Shes all paid for, but I jsut got my WS6, so I'm afraid I'll be bored with it. I can't decide if I should sell her

BUT

If I do sell her, I was thinking about dumping that money into either a turbo or an ATI Procharger.

I just meantioned a turbo because I don't know too much about them. I just figured that a supercharger would be whats best for me. I'm looking for the best bang for the buck.

I guess I'm trying to price out (rough prices) on how much it would cost to do the switch. Assuming I go with the ATI, I need to know how much this will all cost:

The ATI kit
any upgrades that I should do when adding a supercharger
dynotuning
a new clutch (I have an M6, I'll need it eventually)
and a new rear end? Since the stocker rear can't handle that much power for very long?

or anything else I'm forgetting

I just want to get an over all idea on how much I'm looking to spend. If its way more than what I can get for my camaro, then I wont sell her. If its possible, with some saving then I might do it. I don't even know what kind of numbers I'd be looking at. lol


told you it was a lot of questions! Thanks guys!
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 07:50 PM
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Well tell you this going FI isn't cheap what ever way you go. But some cheap kit's out right now as far as turbo goes is the new Phamspeed budget kit without a fmic should get you 450rwhp with the right upgrade's Fuel stuff like that or you get the STS kit but I think the Phamspeed is cheaper now. I think you could do the budget kit with upgrades for under 5k.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 07:54 PM
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hell ill be under $4k when im done with the phamspeed kit!
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without doing a search, is there a sponsor or someone I should talk to about Phamspeed?

what are the positives/negatives of a turbo vs the ATI?

and what should i expect to pay for the ati with upgrades?

and finally, I take it the "could do the budget kit with upgrades for under 5k" doesn't include a near rear end?
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Yeah it could be done but I was including Fuel system,clutch,gauge's,tune bla bla bla
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Originally Posted by MetallicaMatt
without doing a search, is there a sponsor or someone I should talk to about Phamspeed?

what are the positives/negatives of a turbo vs the ATI?

and what should i expect to pay for the ati with upgrades?

and finally, I take it the "could do the budget kit with upgrades for under 5k" doesn't include a near rear end?
no rear end in that. But you should be safe with the stock as long as you don't slap on some slick's and dump the clutch at the track. Ati I think will be alot more with upgrade's but sometimes you can catch a good deal that someone selling their whole setup cause they wanna go turbo.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 07:58 PM
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oh ok...I just thought a new rear was like $1500-2k
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http://phamspeed.com/ almost forgot that. Yes they are.
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yeah with clutch and gauges then yup but otherwise nope..that includes fuel and such!
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Okay, so why a turbo? and not a supercharger??

ATI guys, ring in? how much am a looking at droping, and how much hp?
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Originally Posted by ddnspider
yeah with clutch and gauges then yup but otherwise nope..that includes fuel and such!
Yeah you will need a upgrade clutch without a doubt. Wouldn't want to get on the dyno to tune and the clutch gives out before you even get the car tuned. Man I would be pissed.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by MetallicaMatt
Okay, so why a turbo? and not a supercharger??

ATI guys, ring in? how much am a looking at droping, and how much hp?
Well they say turbo is a little more street friendly I never had a SC car all turbo. But the thing with turbo is a car can idle and run completely stock until you put the peddle down and all hell breaks loose!!!
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:18 PM
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what kind of turbo lag would I have? how fast (1/4 mile) would I be looking at?

I like the low end torque idea of a SC, but a turbo is more drivetrain friendly it seems.


so you recommend phamspeed over STS?
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:21 PM
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One thing to keep in mind is that probably half the people that go the forced induction route blow their motor.
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Lag won't be much at all with that setup. I would go Phamspeed over sts right because of price. PM PurEvl he had a 600+rwhp SC setup on his car then went with turbo making more power with less effort and said he loves it over the SC.
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Originally Posted by 2001WS6Vert
One thing to keep in mind is that probably half the people that go the forced induction route blow their motor.
yes true. But most of them is from not getting the car tuned right and running to much boost on a stock block. The budget kit is for 5-6psi around 450hp the wheels with that tuned I would think the car would last a long time.
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Old Apr 11, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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yeah i don't want to kill my motor lol
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also, is this kit reliable? i'm a little nervous about "budget" this and "budget" that.......just want to make sure i'm not buying crap
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