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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 10:12 PM
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TTI stage 1 kit.

One of the builders said the turbos are the same as the incon ones? And this setup will make over 600rwhp!

If this is true this is better than the Incon kit?

Anyone quess the power numbers and any idea what those turbos can do!
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 10:40 PM
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sounds like a great question to call and ask george at turbotechnology.
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 10:47 PM
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yeah I will do that in the tomarrow but do you know if they are the same AR housings as the incon.
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Old Jul 6, 2005 | 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 2FAST4U
The setup is
C5 vette
402ci LS2 motor (SLP) 9:1:1 block
6.0L heads ported.
TTI stage 1 kit.

One of the builders said the turbos are the same as the incon ones? And this setup will make over 600rwhp!

If this is true this is better than the Incon kit?

Anyone quess the power numbers and any idea what those turbos can do!
Get ahold of King_Pin over at corvetteforum.com . Check his latest Stage1 numbers on a MUSTANG dyno here: http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...in&forum_id=86 Some might call his turbo's TEC freaks... but if one lowers the CR (via a forged short block), run a good turbo cam (thanks to Phil), AFR205's (this setup), meth injection, then the Stage1 might still have some more potential. BTW, King_Pin has a 75 shot... and before the final tune he tried it a couple of times... the car was absolutely uncontrollable . Also, FWIW, I know for a fact that King_Pin has the "standard" .64 A/R exhaust housings.
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WOW.but Sounds low power numbers for forged motor,stageX,meth,and75shoot. Sorry,Not trying to sound like a *******. but TTI says on the site it makes 500rwhp on a stock motor.

In your opinion can the stage1 make high 600-700rwhp with this setup only.
And does anyone know in the turbos are the very same as the incon kit? I see it has a water port that isn't used
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 12:35 AM
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You are going to choke the crap out of a 408 with a TTi stage 1 Vette kit. People where having back pressure issues with that kit on engines smaller than that. If you want that kind of power ditch the stage one and go with the stage X. If not you are going to try and band aid a turbo on that car and you are never going to be happy with it.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 02:25 AM
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Flynbludream is 100% correct. That kit is not designed to move the exhaust of a big cube engine. That package will create tons of heat. That kit is maxed out with a 346 as it is. BTW, the TTi kit WILL make 700rwhp but it will have blowby in the cylinders after awhile because of the restrictive design. I would not go over 600rwhp with that kit for RELIABLE power and I would stick with the stock cam.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 09:55 AM
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Running T3's with a big cube motor is not ideal. Keep the cubes small and run the A/R's as large as possible. That will give you the best results.

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i doubt they are the same turbos as the incon as the incon turbos are some kind of hybrid and hard to obtain. it makes sense to go with something easy to get in mass.
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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 10:18 AM
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i doubt they are the same turbos as the incon as the incon turbos are some kind of hybrid and hard to obtain. it makes sense to go with something easy to get in mass.
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Originally Posted by flynbludream
You are going to choke the crap out of a 408 with a TTi stage 1 Vette kit. People where having back pressure issues with that kit on engines smaller than that. If you want that kind of power ditch the stage one and go with the stage X. If not you are going to try and band aid a turbo on that car and you are never going to be happy with it.
I agree with flynbludream ... I totally skipped over the cubes... it was late last night

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WOW.but Sounds low power numbers for forged motor,stageX,meth,and75shoot. Sorry,Not trying to sound like a *******. but TTI says on the site it makes 500rwhp on a stock motor.

In your opinion can the stage1 make high 600-700rwhp with this setup only.
And does anyone know in the turbos are the very same as the incon kit? I see it has a water port that isn't used
King_Pin's kit is a Stage1 not a StageX. I would say the Stage1 T28's are not the same as the Incon turbo's... and I do not think they would be a good match for a 400+ cubic inch engine. If your goal is 600-700rwhp I would not choose the Stage1. The StageX would be much more suited to the task. I have disassembled an older (cast iron hot parts) LPE427TT. In looking at the turbo's I would say they are a GT28R based turbo. T2 flanged and ballbearing for sure but I do not know the wheel trims. Yes, the T28's have coolant passages if one options to run the coolant circuit. BTW, the numbers that King_Pin posted were from a Mustang dyno... not a Dynojet... and nitrous was not used to obtain those numbers. The only additive was methanol injection. 91 Octane crap gas was used as well. No race gas and no additives in the gas. King_Pin ordered his slicks and skinnies so hopefully he'll be able to put some good numbers down at the track when it cools off a bit down here.

Good Luck in whatever you decide... lots of advice and choices out there

Bill
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what psi were his dyno numbers at. Incon stage 1 turbos are supposed to flow 80lb/min cumulatively...stage 2s 100lb/min
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Originally Posted by cablebandit
what psi were his dyno numbers at. Incon stage 1 turbos are supposed to flow 80lb/min cumulatively...stage 2s 100lb/min
The numbers he posted in the thread I reference were at 15psi... and the boost never dropped off on the Mustang dyno. On a Dynojet the best boost that could be obtained was 10psi... and would drop off to about 8psi at lift. There were no waste gate actuator adjustments between the 2 dyno's. As hot as it is right now down here in the Southwest he can still obtain and keep 15psi on the street all the way to lift or redline whichever comes first.... methanol injection has really helped in keeping IAT's down. I'd like to see what a pair of off the shelf GT2871RS (.86 A/R) turbo's would do with the Stage1 kit starting with a 346... but I think if King_Pin wants more power than what he has now he'll probably quit playing with the Stage1, sell it, and go with a StageX. I think he has probably gotten the most out of the Stage1 kit it has to offer unless he wanted to play with different turbo's as I have suggested... but it just takes lots of money and tuning time. He likes the fact the kit hits real hard way down low. Some people don't like that or prefer more of a progressive boost ramp. Its all about personal preference, IMO.

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Old Jul 7, 2005 | 09:51 PM
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Thanks guys for all the great info. This is my friends project. And to say the least he is in way over his head and is only going with what different shops say. And I have told him time and time again he is doing it wrong. A 9:1:1 short block with huge ported 6.0L heads he will have 7:1:1. And they say turbo air flow maps mean "nothing" keeping the heat down and stock compression is all that matters, so the small turbos can still make 600-700rwhp. But what do we know right!
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