ported heads with a Turbo
ported heads with a Turbo Do you guys believe a set of real good heads is important on turbo motor's?
Would it be a more power combo to do a set of 225 AFR's or spend the extra 2000 dollars on a better turbo setup?
I know stock vs ported the heads are better but are they good enough to make a 2000+ dollar purchase worth it?
Would it be a more power combo to do a set of 225 AFR's or spend the extra 2000 dollars on a better turbo setup?
I know stock vs ported the heads are better but are they good enough to make a 2000+ dollar purchase worth it?
I believe, if you're serious about making power and want to get the most out of a setup then nothing will be spared. That should be said for every component of the setup. If you are building a car that won't see much power then there isn't much reason to buy better heads or port the stock ones. If you aren't looking for anything higher than 600rwhp you probably don't need ported heads if the rest of the setup is matched to the power levels you would be making. With that said, i am buying fully ported 6.0 heads because my teeny T3 turbos need the most efficient setup as possible as they will create a huge restriction. When using stock heads you need to be careful of the valve seats if you're going to make big power.
There are too many variables in answering your question. I would say do it if you can as it should be money well spent even if you can't get the benefits out of them right now.
If you bought the heads what would you be skimping out on?
Greg
There are too many variables in answering your question. I would say do it if you can as it should be money well spent even if you can't get the benefits out of them right now.
If you bought the heads what would you be skimping out on?
Greg
yea u'll always make better power on a turbo setup or any other setup( SC motors, N/A motors, nitrous motors, combo's) but you dont have to spend over $2k to get a set though. AFR's are really nice but theres always TEA( which i have and love, got em for $1700 new), PRC's, RGR's, MTI 2E's, & other Sponsers heads etc etc and there's also Patriots. some have good luck w/ them & some dont. ( dont wanna/not trying to start a flame war on patriots)
My buddy Armageddon runs Patriots on his turbo setup and hasnt had any trouble with the heads themselves.
And as the other folks said boost helps alot as well
Just my 2 pennies
My buddy Armageddon runs Patriots on his turbo setup and hasnt had any trouble with the heads themselves.
And as the other folks said boost helps alot as well
Just my 2 pennies
I think what you're really asking is "are those heads worth $2k??" Depends on what your goals are... if you're going for an all-out race car, you should buy them. If you're looking for a street maching that still has some serious *****... your money may be better spent in other places... like on the turbo setup, or actually getting the power you do make to the ground! You can't go anywhere if you can't hook up!
Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
Do you guys believe a set of real good heads is important on turbo motor's?
Would it be a more power combo to do a set of 225 AFR's or spend the extra 2000 dollars on a better turbo setup?
I know stock vs ported the heads are better but are they good enough to make a 2000+ dollar purchase worth it?
Would it be a more power combo to do a set of 225 AFR's or spend the extra 2000 dollars on a better turbo setup?
I know stock vs ported the heads are better but are they good enough to make a 2000+ dollar purchase worth it?
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Verdad Gallardo Sue, better heads will add power to any setup! But is it worth the $2k?? What are your goals? What kind of power you looking to make... or better yet, what kind of times? Track or daily driver car?
Originally Posted by Big Mike
Look at it this way, the more power you make N/A the more power you are going to make when you put your power adder on, whether it be turbo, SC or N2O.
Originally Posted by FastKat
Sue, better heads will add power to any setup! But is it worth the $2k?? What are your goals? What kind of power you looking to make... or better yet, what kind of times? Track or daily driver car?
Your right, I didn't explain myself very well.
Let me ask this a different way and add in my goals.
I am currently planing on a street setup and 500+ to the tire. (8-9psi)
I am going to get a turbo cam, a set of 6.0 heads to lower compression, rod bolts to help keep the bottom alive, ARP studs and bolts kit, intercooler, etc.
I dont have a ton of money and the turbo kit I was going with is a STS knockoff. Very similar to a STS with a larger turbo so for now we will just say STS so everyone knows what I am talking about. Now with my goals I am not sure if ported heads are the right choice.
I could spend the 1200-1300 dollars and get a better turbo setup or could spend the money on heads.
Which would be the better dollar per HP? I am on a budget and can either do the heads or upgrade/buy a better turbo kit. Hopefully that helps what I am after.
Thanks for the reply's so far.
Im porting my own heads when i change the head bolts. Its easy adn ya can save 1900 dollars. Granted i wont have larger valves liek teh 2k heads BUT i will make mroe power for nearly nothing.
You can use teh STS kit for all teh power you need so i say spend the extra 2k to forge ya bottom end. You get pistons adn rngs for 800 and rods for 700 adn spend the other 500 on machining. Now you can make all teh power your heart wants. GL
John
You can use teh STS kit for all teh power you need so i say spend the extra 2k to forge ya bottom end. You get pistons adn rngs for 800 and rods for 700 adn spend the other 500 on machining. Now you can make all teh power your heart wants. GL
John
Last edited by 99SS-T; Jul 19, 2005 at 01:49 PM. Reason: opps
Originally Posted by 99SS-T
Im porting my own heads when i change the head bolts. Its easy adn ya can save 1900 dollars. Granted i wont have larger valves liek teh 2k heads BUT i will make mroe power for nearly nothing.
You can use teh STS kit for all teh power you need so i say spend the extra 2k to forge ya bottom end. You get pistons adn rngs for 800 and rods for 700 adn spend the other 500 on machining. Now you can make all teh power your heart wants. GL
John
You can use teh STS kit for all teh power you need so i say spend the extra 2k to forge ya bottom end. You get pistons adn rngs for 800 and rods for 700 adn spend the other 500 on machining. Now you can make all teh power your heart wants. GL
John
Yea, I would not go for the expensive heads. The 6.0L heads should bring your compression down enough to meet your goals. The 6.0L heads will be just fine.
I'd save that money for either a better turbo kit or perhaps fuel system upgrades, a good tune, or whatever you discover your next bottleneck to be. Your boost will push through those 6.0L heads just fine.
I'd save that money for either a better turbo kit or perhaps fuel system upgrades, a good tune, or whatever you discover your next bottleneck to be. Your boost will push through those 6.0L heads just fine.
Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
Your right, I didn't explain myself very well.
Let me ask this a different way and add in my goals.
I am currently planing on a street setup and 500+ to the tire. (8-9psi)
I am going to get a turbo cam, a set of 6.0 heads to lower compression, rod bolts to help keep the bottom alive, ARP studs and bolts kit, intercooler, etc.
I dont have a ton of money and the turbo kit I was going with is a STS knockoff. Very similar to a STS with a larger turbo so for now we will just say STS so everyone knows what I am talking about. Now with my goals I am not sure if ported heads are the right choice.
I could spend the 1200-1300 dollars and get a better turbo setup or could spend the money on heads.
Which would be the better dollar per HP? I am on a budget and can either do the heads or upgrade/buy a better turbo kit. Hopefully that helps what I am after.
Thanks for the reply's so far.
Let me ask this a different way and add in my goals.
I am currently planing on a street setup and 500+ to the tire. (8-9psi)
I am going to get a turbo cam, a set of 6.0 heads to lower compression, rod bolts to help keep the bottom alive, ARP studs and bolts kit, intercooler, etc.
I dont have a ton of money and the turbo kit I was going with is a STS knockoff. Very similar to a STS with a larger turbo so for now we will just say STS so everyone knows what I am talking about. Now with my goals I am not sure if ported heads are the right choice.
I could spend the 1200-1300 dollars and get a better turbo setup or could spend the money on heads.
Which would be the better dollar per HP? I am on a budget and can either do the heads or upgrade/buy a better turbo kit. Hopefully that helps what I am after.
Thanks for the reply's so far.
Engines are breathing machines. Breathe in..... exhale out. The better and more it can do this the better it will run. Every major internal part you change has to do with how much oxygen it will burn. I say do the heads to realize the full potential of everything else.
Very true, but what it comes down to is are the $2,000 heads needed to meet his goals?
Originally Posted by Lasershop
Engines are breathing machines. Breathe in..... exhale out. The better and more it can do this the better it will run. Every major internal part you change has to do with how much oxygen it will burn. I say do the heads to realize the full potential of everything else.
Originally Posted by JZ'sTA
Do you guys believe a set of real good heads is important on turbo motor's?
Would it be a more power combo to do a set of 225 AFR's or spend the extra 2000 dollars on a better turbo setup?
I know stock vs ported the heads are better but are they good enough to make a 2000+ dollar purchase worth it?
Would it be a more power combo to do a set of 225 AFR's or spend the extra 2000 dollars on a better turbo setup?
I know stock vs ported the heads are better but are they good enough to make a 2000+ dollar purchase worth it?
I come from the Buick GN world and fully ported stock iron heads flow only 200cfmish on the intake port!!!!! There were plenty of 231ci GN engines making 700hp+ with a single turbo and 3" downpipes running mid/low 10's@125mph+ in 3500lbs+ Buick Regals.
Stock LS1 heads flow in low 230cfm's I believe. Part of the restriction can be overcome with boost. The LS1 has a larger bore, better cylinder head design, and strong stock cranks compared to the Buick GN motors (their limit is about 700hp reliably). Combined with upgraded rods/pistons a reliable low budget turbo LS1 should work well.
Didn't Rob Raymer make 700rwhp with his stock longblock (upgraded springs) and a single turbo setup?
The BIG power is in the heads/cam setup.... but turbos can perform miracles. Remember that every 14.7psi of boost effectively doubles the engine size (with no major bottlenecks). Meaning a 346ci at this level becomes a 692ci..... At 22psi it becomes 865ci!!!!
The argument of limited traction and diminishing use of power on a street car should be thrown in the mix as well.
The proper cam and a good intercooler and the right sized downpipe should be done right the first time... you can always upgrade to better heads down the line. Redoing headers,intercooler piping, downpipe over again is a major time and $$$ expense.
Have Bo White do a budget port on those 6.0 heads.....
Stock LS1 heads flow in low 230cfm's I believe. Part of the restriction can be overcome with boost. The LS1 has a larger bore, better cylinder head design, and strong stock cranks compared to the Buick GN motors (their limit is about 700hp reliably). Combined with upgraded rods/pistons a reliable low budget turbo LS1 should work well.
Didn't Rob Raymer make 700rwhp with his stock longblock (upgraded springs) and a single turbo setup?
The BIG power is in the heads/cam setup.... but turbos can perform miracles. Remember that every 14.7psi of boost effectively doubles the engine size (with no major bottlenecks). Meaning a 346ci at this level becomes a 692ci..... At 22psi it becomes 865ci!!!!
The argument of limited traction and diminishing use of power on a street car should be thrown in the mix as well.
The proper cam and a good intercooler and the right sized downpipe should be done right the first time... you can always upgrade to better heads down the line. Redoing headers,intercooler piping, downpipe over again is a major time and $$$ expense.
Have Bo White do a budget port on those 6.0 heads.....
