I've decided that I want to go the blower route because I want to keep my current exhaust setup so I can put some cats on just in case I need to(I really wanted a turbo but I want to be able to put cats on my car). I want to make 800+rwhp reliably without spray. I dont want my car to gain to much weight and I am also planning on getting a custom intake manifold only if neccisary. Exactly what do I need, and how much is this going to cost? Also how much weight will my car gain?

<small>[ December 01, 2002, 11:35 PM: Message edited by: sega rally ]</small>

 

Anyone?

 

800rwhp? Reliably? <img border="0" alt="[Banging Head]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_banghead.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />

I would do a forged 383ci with around 10psi for relative realiability/driveability and around 600rwhp.

Justin

 

Depends on what you are going to use this car for, as in whether or not it will be street driven or just a race car, for like the innercooler setup, race car(air to water) street car(air to air), what blower to go with depending on what the motor will make, my roomate is selling a bunch of parts to pretty much build a motor like you are looking for, he has a C-5R block, and heads, with valves and Jesel, pistons, ATI air to water innercooler, and an ATI F-3R Procharger, which will support up to 2,100 HP, and requires a motor that makes approx. 700 n/a, but with low boost, say 5 psi, could make your 800+ rwhp without breaking a sweat, and is fully capable up upgrading by just swapping pullies, we were looking at making around 1,200 to 1,500 and be able to drive the car around towm if we wanted to, just pulley it down for around town.

Jason

 

This is going to be a street car, but Im going to drive it slooowww on the street so drivability isnt an issue. Speed inc claims that their shop car is streetable and it should be making 800+rwhp.

 

Is this a trick question??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

First, what do you consider reliable??

Second, what do you consider streetable??

What kind of fuel do you plan to use, and what can you get??

Big cubes, and big blower. That is if you intend to do it on regular pump gas.

Start looking for a rearend, trans, driveshaft, etc....

Do you really understand what 800RWHP driven on the street is??

I've daily driven mine for the last 3 weeks in the snow. Not the recommended winter vehicle <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

[EDIT]It's gonna cost ALOT <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" />

<small>[ December 02, 2002, 10:27 PM: Message edited by: y2khawk ]</small>

 

I'm sorry, but are you really from Lithuania???

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by y2khawk:
<strong>Is this a trick question??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />

First, what do you consider reliable??

Second, what do you consider streetable??

What kind of fuel do you plan to use, and what can you get??

Big cubes, and big blower. That is if you intend to do it on regular pump gas.

Start looking for a rearend, trans, driveshaft, etc....

Do you really understand what 800RWHP driven on the street is??

I've daily driven mine for the last 3 weeks in the snow. Not the recommended winter vehicle <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" />

[EDIT]It's gonna cost ALOT <img border="0" alt="[devil]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_devil.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I consider reliable: able to last 30,000 miles without major problems

streetable to me is being able to drive on the street without having to spin the tires at every stop light to keep from stalling and lasting more than 200 miles per tank(15 gal tank) and below 97 decibles

this is going to be a street car so I am going to be using 93 octane gas only ( at most 94)

This is not going to be a winter car.

How much power do you think a stock T56 with a stage 4 clutch and flywheel will hold up?

My budget is going to be around 30-50 grand. Is that going to be enough?

Could you please give me a list of what parts I need and how much they are.

Thanks

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Iv_z28:
<strong>I'm sorry, but are you really from Lithuania???</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Labas! Thats really off topic. Sent you PM.
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

 

im still laughing about the cat converter part...

the thing will be heard comming a mile away with the radical valvetrain involved. the service station will allready be shaking their heads side to side before you get a chance to point to the cats. where would you fit dual 4" cats that can handle that much exhaust anyways heh.

what is your budget? we may be able to solve this quickly. 50k might get you down the road.

 

I agree with Matt, before you make a car fast, make sure it can go fast, get yourself a tranny(no way will that T-56 last under that kinda power without some major surgery). Definetely invest in a Rearend, suspension, Brakes, your pretty much gonna build yourself a new car here, so if you could buy a rolling chassis hardtop, that is where i would start, and like Dave said, you'll be able to blow that 50 grand pretty easy, you could go a few route's on the motor, depend son what you are wanting, to start one that we were looking at:

C-5R Block......................6,000
C-5R Heads(if ya can get em)....6/7,000
Jesel rockers...................2,000
Rotating assembly...............4/5,000
Valvetrain......................1/2,000
Sheet metal intake..............3,000
Fuel system.....................2,000
Custom Headers/exhaust..........2,500
Trans...........................3,000
Rear end........................2,500
D/S.............................500
Cage(to be legal at track)......1,500
Operating system/software.......2,000

I know these are nowhere near exact, but shooting from the hip guestimates at midnight, you can see that you are damn near 40 grand, without any labor on installs or fabrication, machine work on motor, tuning, and all the other goodies, like the initial price of the vehicle that this will all go into, but when done, will be a bad *** vehicle.

Don't anyone yell, i'm just guessing to help here, any other tries would be appreciated.

I personally would talk to Matt(Y2KHAWK) and just buy his car, the damn thing hauls A$$, and like he said, drives it daily year round, although i'm sure not willingly, sorry to hear about the truck. Only problem is, i don't know if he would sell it for 50 g's? Not bad if he would sell, ( second car that you can stop on the way home from the track and get milk with <img border="0" alt="[hail]" title="" src="graemlins/gr_hail.gif" />

 

Im not trying to build a drag car. I just want to build a monster that will last a while. Im sure that a stock T56 will be able to handle that much power without spending 3grand. Arent the venoms using a stock transmission? and why would i need custom headers and exhaust?

Thanks

 

No way will a T56 last with 800+ rwhp, the venoms don't make that much power, and they are not stock T56's at all, they go through those and rebuild them to withstand that power, hell, the stock T56 in a viper isn't the same as a GM T56, and the GM T56 costs about 1,500, about headers and exhaust, where do you plan on finding off the shelf headers and exhaust to support a ebgine making that much power, you are looking at getting header with 1 7/8" to 2" primaries for a motor that makes that kinda power, and no off the shelf exhaust will be big enough, you would need 5" or dual 3 1/2" to be able to let that beast breathe, we have already discussed this, as like i said, this was going to be a project that my roomate was undertaking, and he has a few of the parts left, that he hasn't sold yet, so i know what kind of task you about to undergo.

 

If I cant keep my exhaust then Ill settel for whatever power I can make off of my current exhaust setup. I need to be able to put cats on my car otherwise its pointless even having the car.

 

My T-56 couldn't hold up to my measly cam only 6-speed setup... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="images/icons/rolleyes.gif" />

I'm TH400 now, and I drive it as often as I can, I just avoid making highway trips..

 

What these guys are saying is that your goal is unreasonable. Why don't you shoot for 600 HP. Believe me 600HP is a lofty goal that is not easy nor reliable unless you have deep pockets and do plenty of homework.

 

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by 2001WS6Vert:
<strong>What these guys are saying is that your goal is unreasonable. Why don't you shoot for 600 HP. Believe me 600HP is a lofty goal that is not easy nor reliable unless you have deep pockets and do plenty of homework.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok so whats it going to take to make 600+rwhp reliably through my current exhaust? Anything less than that then I definitely made a mistake of buying this car.

 

600 is my goal and you can see in my sig. what I have done and still need to do. My c.i.d. will be about 415 though instead of 422 (whatever a 4.080 bore with a 4.00 stroke equals). I will deal with the fuel system after I get it running. I am going to install the wideband o2 sensor kit to check air/fuel ratio and then modify my injectors and or fuel lines/rails + pumps to do whatever it takes to support the power. And you can see what i'm talkin' about regarding the money, $60000+ (including car) and I will still need the rear end + tranny.

 

you want 600rwhp which is high 600 at the motor, but if you can't do it with the exhaust on the car then you don't want the car??

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="images/icons/confused.gif" />

it's only a set of headers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" />

a forged 360+, stage 2 heads and cam, ls6 intake, dynatech 1 7/8 headers w/ 3" duals, D1 at a mild 10 psi should do it

<img border="0" alt="[Fluffy]" title="" src="graemlins/fluffy.gif" />

 

I agree with Matt, why are you so stuck on your current exhaust? You can do a set of headers and duals, and still put cats on the car if you want to, and then your goal is very obtainable, just look at the stats on his Firehawk, not bad for his daily driver huh? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />