How many are interested in the Kenne Bell potential?
Originally Posted by DanaliHD
so is it safe to assume the kb blower is 2.3 or 2.4L?
Im pretty sure its the 3.3 that he is gonna use. I dont think a 2.3 or 2.4 would support much power on a 408. They suck some serious wind. I cant wait to see a pic.
John
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I think your decision depends entirely on how much bullshit it would take to put that type of blower on your car, especially since your intention is to just rip it off later anyway.
I forsee you skipping it. At any rate, start building the turbo kit while you wait for KB. Just a suggestion.
I forsee you skipping it. At any rate, start building the turbo kit while you wait for KB. Just a suggestion.
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Originally Posted by 99SS-T
Im pretty sure its the 3.3 that he is gonna use. I dont think a 2.3 or 2.4 would support much power on a 408. They suck some serious wind. I cant wait to see a pic.
John
John
KB has a 2.3L and 2.4L charger. Not sure which they would use for the 'vette.
Ohhh. So yall think that a KB can blow enough air to make the power to do it then? I know he is gonan have a lighter then stock car but that takes alot of power. To do 8's i mean. Will be a awesome fight. Jus tmake sure if u do it that u beat them lol. Cant have u losin. GL
John
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
...So, how many of you would be interested in seeing a Kenne Bell get pushed to the limits in an f-body? Should I take that Mustang's title away? 
Tony
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I plan on completely removing most of the cowl/wiper area. This car is NOT a street car, and will probably never see the street unless I'm doing some backroad "testing" behind my house. I plan on removing most of the cowl even for the turbo setup, just to have more room to work.
Size of the blower is not determined. The numbers I quoted above are for the 2.4L size kit though. Thats the same size that the mod-motor 'Stang pushed to 9.3s. They recently put a 2.4L on a 408ci LS1 (low compression) and it made 710 hp on 13 psi. That was a showcar at SEMA though, not a racecar. I'm estimating 700-750 rwhp is needed at this raceweight, and remember that the power curve on a screwcharger is much like a turbo, it goes flat across. Not peaky like a centrifugal blower.
Someone asked about my 10-pt. Its a Wolfe chrome-moly cage, Madman just installed it. You can PM him for a quote, he did that along with a lot of other work at the same time, so I have no idea of the exact cost.
Size of the blower is not determined. The numbers I quoted above are for the 2.4L size kit though. Thats the same size that the mod-motor 'Stang pushed to 9.3s. They recently put a 2.4L on a 408ci LS1 (low compression) and it made 710 hp on 13 psi. That was a showcar at SEMA though, not a racecar. I'm estimating 700-750 rwhp is needed at this raceweight, and remember that the power curve on a screwcharger is much like a turbo, it goes flat across. Not peaky like a centrifugal blower.
Someone asked about my 10-pt. Its a Wolfe chrome-moly cage, Madman just installed it. You can PM him for a quote, he did that along with a lot of other work at the same time, so I have no idea of the exact cost.
That should give ya about a 9 flat/9.1 at that raceweight depending how hard she hooks.
I asked about the cage cause I like how tight it hugs everything, nice and out of the way. If I have to put a cage in my car that's the way I want to do it.
I asked about the cage cause I like how tight it hugs everything, nice and out of the way. If I have to put a cage in my car that's the way I want to do it.
I think it would be pretty cool to play with a KB, I doubt you will get it in the 8s on a 2.4 though. 3000lbs with an iron block and a blower is pretty light..
Be pretty cool no matter what it runs though
Be pretty cool no matter what it runs though
hmm, i'd be amazed to see a 2.4L twinscrew push that much HP. I swear i was told it can't push that many cfm's. I hope it can though cause my 2.3L is going on my 408 in a month or so and i plan to spin the **** out of it.
Tony you need to weigh hiho silver and then figure out what that kb stuff will weigh. Would it be intercooled? I went 9.4, I dynoed 680rwhp a few days before that. I think at 750rwhp at <3300 raceweight you should run 8's or be right there.
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The 2.4 KB has been the blower of choice for the Lightning guys for years. They've gone low 10's without nitrous with a 331 cid mod motor and 4700 lbs. They have absolutely terrible heads compared to the LSX offerings; a fully ported mod head like I had on mine flows 260-270 cfm max (small bore is part of the issue). The Lightnings also use the top entry inlet which is not nearly as efficient as the rear inlet style.
Of course now the L guys are starting to swap over to the turbos, and picking up 100-150 rwhp more at the same boost. My truck made 645/738 (STD) on a Dynojet at 19.5 psi with a KB. I've seen nearly 700 rwhp on them with that blower. I think Tony's LS could make more with his heads and extra cubes, but will be interesting to see how effective it is on a larger motor.
Jody
Of course now the L guys are starting to swap over to the turbos, and picking up 100-150 rwhp more at the same boost. My truck made 645/738 (STD) on a Dynojet at 19.5 psi with a KB. I've seen nearly 700 rwhp on them with that blower. I think Tony's LS could make more with his heads and extra cubes, but will be interesting to see how effective it is on a larger motor.
Jody
So it would look like this?
http://www.muscularmustangs.com/images/cjmf07.jpg
http://www.kennedysdynotune.com/imag...ebellscers.jpg
http://www.muscularmustangs.com/images/cjmf07.jpg
http://www.kennedysdynotune.com/imag...ebellscers.jpg
If you're going to play with a TS, why not use the larger Wipple? That KB isn't going to blow enough air. I seriously doubt you'll get much more than 725 rwhp out of even the larger 2.4.