FI-Experts: Please check this setup.
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FI-Experts: Please check this setup. This is what I'm planning (on a budget of $15000)
CANCEL ZL402 DUE TO REPUTATION *Thanks 2002 Trans Am for the heads up*
408 Iron Block Low Compression from HPE
#ATIGJ214-SCI
Procharger Tuner Kit D1-SC (Upgrade to F1)
#FUELSYS3 (Speed Inc)
Race Fuel System (supports 900hp)
#PAT8417
Patriot Heads Cam Package (camshaft selection unknown at this time)
#SLP55001
SLP Heavy Duty Oil Pump
#RM1160
Rollmaster Double Roller Timing Chain
#61-300-111
Holly Aluminium Intake
OR
BECK Sheetmetal Intake (Preffered)
#88-NW90
Nick Williams 90mm TB
#INJ60-8
Motron #60 Fuel Injectors
I plan on using my exsisting exhaust, and having it tuned locally. I want this to be a LOW MAINTENCE setup. No more ragged edge, almost blowing it up setups. So I've decided that driving the car is much funner then it being in the garage because of broken parts. Only goal, is for it to run low 10's.
Any suggestions on cam size and type (hydr. or roller), head selection, how much boost to run, etc. or if you think something is either overkill, or worse underkill please let me know. If I'm missing something it would help to point that out. I was up all night researching this list, and already have a few things on order. This is my final build for this car, and I will not change the setup for this car again. Tired of selling new parts, because I changed my mind.
Thanks in advance, Jason
CANCEL ZL402 DUE TO REPUTATION *Thanks 2002 Trans Am for the heads up*
408 Iron Block Low Compression from HPE
#ATIGJ214-SCI
Procharger Tuner Kit D1-SC (Upgrade to F1)
#FUELSYS3 (Speed Inc)
Race Fuel System (supports 900hp)
#PAT8417
Patriot Heads Cam Package (camshaft selection unknown at this time)
#SLP55001
SLP Heavy Duty Oil Pump
#RM1160
Rollmaster Double Roller Timing Chain
#61-300-111
Holly Aluminium Intake
OR
BECK Sheetmetal Intake (Preffered)
#88-NW90
Nick Williams 90mm TB
#INJ60-8
Motron #60 Fuel Injectors
I plan on using my exsisting exhaust, and having it tuned locally. I want this to be a LOW MAINTENCE setup. No more ragged edge, almost blowing it up setups. So I've decided that driving the car is much funner then it being in the garage because of broken parts. Only goal, is for it to run low 10's.
Any suggestions on cam size and type (hydr. or roller), head selection, how much boost to run, etc. or if you think something is either overkill, or worse underkill please let me know. If I'm missing something it would help to point that out. I was up all night researching this list, and already have a few things on order. This is my final build for this car, and I will not change the setup for this car again. Tired of selling new parts, because I changed my mind.
Thanks in advance, Jason
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With that setup, I doubt you'd need to spin more than 6800, so I'd think you'd be ok going with a hydro roller. Honestly...why go with the holly alum intake? I'd go with an LS6 instead or the FAST if you absolutely think its nessecary. Fuel sys seems fine...what kind of power numbers are you thinking about and race weight?
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Race weight of about 3800lbs, maybe 750-800hp. I figured using the alum intake would be more reliable then an LS6 for boost. I already checked the et/speed/hp calculator and figured this was about the best setup for a low 10. I don't want to add a complete rollcage. Sure the car might go 9's, but not officially.
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Yeah, not good? Some magazine made 575 NA with the motor. Does it have reliablity issues?
I can go 408 from HPE, just gonna cost more.
*EDIT* Oops, didnt do my homework on the 402. They sound like there crappy motors. So its off the list!
I can go 408 from HPE, just gonna cost more.
*EDIT* Oops, didnt do my homework on the 402. They sound like there crappy motors. So its off the list!
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Originally Posted by Fast SS on TNT
Yeah, not good? Some magazine made 575 NA with the motor. Does it have reliablity issues?
I can go 408 from HPE, just gonna cost more.
I can go 408 from HPE, just gonna cost more.
I would go with the HPE
Sometimes you get what you pay for
If the search function works, you can probably do a search for it.
Lastly, don't believe the mags, they're generally full of **** and get paid to write what they write.
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Thanks for the heads up, I just read up after doing a search. Money well spent, besides Chuck is a nice guy at HPE, plus he's from my home state.
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Alright Jason......
No need for a 408 unless your set on a forged crank.
Look at KP's setup.
Your drivetrain looks stought so your good there.
Id stay with a Hydrolic cam also. Look at what KP's doing with a Z06 cam.
Since this short block is gong to be speced out the way you want it go with a set of Dart heads. 62 cc chambers and just off set them with a bigger dish piston.
I havent had the best with PP Heads. I had mine redone and picked up alot of flow.
The price on each are really close to each other.
The fuel system looks fine.
You prob wont need a F1 head unit if you can stop belt slip.
Here again as an example is KP's car.
Shoot him a PM im sure he will help you out.
Most everything looks good.
Id stick with a LS6 intake..... works good enough for most.
Kyle
No need for a 408 unless your set on a forged crank.
Look at KP's setup.
Your drivetrain looks stought so your good there.
Id stay with a Hydrolic cam also. Look at what KP's doing with a Z06 cam.
Since this short block is gong to be speced out the way you want it go with a set of Dart heads. 62 cc chambers and just off set them with a bigger dish piston.
I havent had the best with PP Heads. I had mine redone and picked up alot of flow.
The price on each are really close to each other.
The fuel system looks fine.
You prob wont need a F1 head unit if you can stop belt slip.
Here again as an example is KP's car.
Shoot him a PM im sure he will help you out.
Most everything looks good.
Id stick with a LS6 intake..... works good enough for most.
Kyle
i would go with a carb style intake over those sheet metal intakes. the sheet metal intakes dont have muich, if any, benefit over the ls6 intake because they get heat soaked. the carb intake has shown like ~90rwhp gain on supercharged cars in GMHTP
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Interesting....keep the suggestions coming. The only thing set in stone is that I will only run a Procharger blower. I had a supercharger on my 94 Z/28 and I miss that wonderful whine, and on demand power.
I knew this list would get a lot of input. I will check out KP's setup. Maybe my budget is overkill too. If I can avoid spending $15k, and still get a good reliable low 10 supercharged motor, I'm all for it!
I knew this list would get a lot of input. I will check out KP's setup. Maybe my budget is overkill too. If I can avoid spending $15k, and still get a good reliable low 10 supercharged motor, I'm all for it!
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90rwhp with an intake eh 
Anyhow, I would do a 9:1 370 LS2 blocked car with a small (220-224 @ 114) cam, set of the Dart 225s as cast or just cleaned up a little, LS6 intake, D1SC with an SDCE drive and a FMIC. Get the right converter made and have some fun..
You still have A/C and everything? My old loaded 100% stock SS with a P1SC, chrome Zr1s and a 12 bolt didnt weight 3800 with me in it and I'm 235lbs..
Anyhow, I would do a 9:1 370 LS2 blocked car with a small (220-224 @ 114) cam, set of the Dart 225s as cast or just cleaned up a little, LS6 intake, D1SC with an SDCE drive and a FMIC. Get the right converter made and have some fun..
You still have A/C and everything? My old loaded 100% stock SS with a P1SC, chrome Zr1s and a 12 bolt didnt weight 3800 with me in it and I'm 235lbs..
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That weight might be a little heavy. I have quite a few things taken out, plus lightweight wheels, and seats. I'm a big guy, so I figured it heavy. Speaking of which, LUNCHTIME.
Thanks again to everyone giving me some details on what to do. I don't want a "lab rat" setup....so I will happily steal information from others for my own benefit.
Thanks again to everyone giving me some details on what to do. I don't want a "lab rat" setup....so I will happily steal information from others for my own benefit.
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just what i read in GMHTP and from what i've read her people where having good gains aswell.
I have yet to see one dyno graph of a head to head single plane vs LS6 on a 7-800rwhp forced induction car pick up one HP or run any faster in the 1/4 mile with one.
I dont doubt the victor/gmpp could make more power, depends on the combination, but if I thought for one second a 800 dollar intake/elbow/TB (500.00 net after selling my LS6 intake/TB) would pick me up even 20 HP on my car there would be one on there tomorrow
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Wow, KP. I like your setup, and numbers. No overkill, and you didn't break the bank putting it together. Maybe I need to rethink everything. Like I said....Procharger is the only thing that I will not change my mind about.
I'm gonna study your setup and make some calls monday.
I'm gonna study your setup and make some calls monday.
Best thing is I can swap wheels/tires, reflash the PCM in 35 seconds, fill it up with pump gas, pop the T-tops off and drive the car until its empty and not have to worry about valve springs, ice in the intercooler, running out of meth, or even my pepsi in the drinkholder going flat from the cam vibration at a stoplight Car still runs 6.30s in the 1/8 with DOT tires and 93 plus the muffler so thats plenty quick for stoplight races IMO
Car still runs 6.30s in the 1/8 with DOT tires and 93 plus the muffler so thats plenty quick for stoplight races IMO 
If you are going with an F1 then i suggest thinking about 72-75 injectors instead of the 60lbs. If you want heads i agree with KP go Darts 225. I won't go with ported heads for streangth issues at high pressures even though their price is tempting. I also don't see the need for 408 in a SC'd application. A 370 would be better and rev a little bit higher which is what you need sometimes to extract more Boost out of the blower when you are pulley sized limited (Ex. 7.25 SDCE Crank 3.4 SC pulley would needs 7100 RPM to max D-1SC out or 3.3 SC pulley at 6900RPM) . Just make sure the BORE is larger than the STROKE on the engine setup for more flexibility and faster revs. Also try to get a Griffen of Sparco FMIC intercooler instead of the ATI Twins and make sure you have either Mondo or ATI race bypass valve.
Thats what I'm doing anyways.
Good luck.
Thats what I'm doing anyways.
Good luck.
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Yeah, I have a list of stuff from KP's setup. I'm gonna sit and price out what I can find online, and call for the rest. From what I'm hearing, I'm way off on how much blower and motor I thought I needed. I'll also PM forcefed98 and see if he can help me with the intercooler.
My wife is happy with KP's setup too. I figured it will save me about $2-4k, over what I thought I was going to spend. She can buy more shoes with the savings.
My wife is happy with KP's setup too. I figured it will save me about $2-4k, over what I thought I was going to spend. She can buy more shoes with the savings.