ty_ty13

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and i think a nice kit will range from about 6800-7500

maddboost

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$7,000 to $8,000 I think would be fair for a good kit with quality components. While people may want to pay a certain amount for a kit if the companies that produce them cant make enough money to stay in business the kit isnt very useful. No company can make a QUALITY turbo kit for $5000 and under and stay in business.

FANTAZ28

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well it all depends on the parts... i mean a turbo it self can range from 800- 2000 and thats retail.

i think intmd8's kit will be awsome for the street car guys and not to mention hes using REAL good parts.

Hugger Z

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I chose $5-$6k as a base kit price. Upgrades should be available that would drive the price up for those that want/need more power. But for a high volume basic kit I think that would be a good start.

Camaroholic

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Is Phamspeed still in business?

Guess not. Probably some reason why... profitability on a cheap kit, perhaps?

peter@aps

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lol...........so who's got a late model F body in healthy shape that can loan me a car for 6 to 9 months (would be a free twin turbo system in exchange for the loan of the car), pm me if you'd like to chat about this in more detail.

Peter

SScam68

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To Australia?

peter@aps

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Correct to Oz. We ship many US cars to APS for product development, right now we have 3 Corvettes at APS including a brand new ZO6.

Peter

69firebird

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It totally depends on the kit.

I think 6.0 hot parts should be no more than 1k. There are people selling hot parts for 2k and its just a few bends, no turbo, no intercooler, no WG. Phamspeed was able to do the kits for 2500, they may not have been making enough to make it worth while, however they proved it could be done.

APS asks alot for their kits, but you dont have to go buy a single washer for their kit.You pay for what you get.
on a side note, APS are you guys going to make a F-body kit? I think your prices are too high for the F-body crowd. Id love to get one that could hold a t4 turbo for a twin setup. mount em up top like others have with tublar mani's, woudl look kinda funny but hey. I know you guys will do what is best for APS.

for a full header kit with turbo, intercooler, etc easily 6k
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SScam68

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The price of their C6 is right in line with the domestic TTiX.

These are the prices Incon should have been charging from the get go.

peter@aps

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I'd like to get hold of an F body to see what's possible. It would be cool to develop a twin turbo kit that could sell at an afforadble cost for F body guys (we just completed a particular twin turbo package that can sell for around $5995, can't mention that car right now).

It would certainly need some serious thought and clever engineering to meet the most popular price listed in the poll, though maybe it's doable. If it's possible I reckon that APS is in the best position from a manufacturing perspective to mass produce a high quality intercooled twin turbo system for the F body.

Peter

69firebird

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i understand that

i just dont see too many spending that kind of cash on an Fbod kit

Navy David SS

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-Turbo(s) - Single $800; twin 1600
-Wastegate(s) - $275 ea=$550
-Blowoff - $350
-Hotsides - One off fab - $1500
-Coldsides - One off fab - $1000
-Couplers, clamps, fittings - $200
-Oil lines, scavenge pumps etc. - $200
-Intercooler(s) - air-2-water - custom Fab - $1500; air-to-air - $700
-Down pipe- already figured
-Assume everything is coated
-Fuel pump upgrade - $500
-Injectors - $500
-Tuning - $500

These are IMO minimums - $7500; hot and cold side could be cheaper - maybe. This also doesn't include any install prices. This doesn't include any engine, tranny, rearend upgrades.

David

mongse

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Pretty much what I figured too, except tuning and supporting mods would be extra. $6-6.5K retail price. That's a single setup, using 16ga mild steel, 1-5/8" primaries, single TiAL 38mm gate & 50mm BOV & 3" downpipe that connects to the stock exhaust. Obviously, the price goes up for stainless and if accessories have to be relocated. I know a lot of people will say that's not much of a profit, but they obviously don't know what dealer cost on a TiAL wastegate or Turbonetics turbo is.

FWIW, I built my twin 67mm setup for about $4000 and put a twin T3/T4 on another car for half that.

Rubadubdub

6-6.5K for a mild steel setup?

Man some of these estimates are ridiculous. Amazingly there are kits out there with SS headers, intercoolers and all necessary parts going for 5K. Hi Flo comes to mind. Although they're having problems I don't think these problems are caused by too little profit.

I also love the fact that no one has mentioned the MPE kit I posted the link to. Hey, if it can be done for the LT1 it can be done for the LS1. I guess some of you like overpaying for stuff. Must come with the auroa of owning an LS1. LOL

Also why are guys throwing in things such as tuning, injectors, fuel pums and such? These things were not a part of the topic in this thread. But if you want to include them then keep on reading. I pasted the MPE post from ImpalaSSForum in case some guys are to lazy to click on the link.

Oh and by the way, I don't work for MPE or any other turbo manufacturer/sponsor as I've been acused of in the past under my old user name.


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Complete MPE Stage I Twin Turbo 800HP+capable

*Custom MPE/Garrett GT-TO4E 61mm turbochargers
*air to air intercooler, polished
*2.5" feed plumbing, polished
*4" intercooler outlet plumbing, polished
*42 lb/hr Ford SVO greentop injectors
*Brand new 3.5" LT-1 MAF
*dual 3" polished intake system with 9" K&N
*304 Stainless steel 1-5/8" primary MPE Twin turbo header system. Billet 1/2" thick cold rolled steel flanges!
*Patented 2.5" 304 stainless MPE integral wastegated downpipes, connect to stock cats, export pipes, or your custom exhaust system.
* -4AN oil feed lines, and 321 stainless corrogated oil return lines.
*misc heat sheilds in 304 stainless, polished.
*EGR block off plate
*Custom PCM tune for 8-10 PSI, '96 OBD cars OK.
*Auto Meter 20 psi/vac boost guage
*All hoses, hardware, and full instructions included!

Standard pricing: $6795.00

NEW YEARS PRICING: $5995.00 !!!

This is THE BADDEST BOLT ON KIT that will outperform ANY setup on stock shortblocks, we have laid down 450+ RWHP and 550+ RWTQ on bone stock unmodded 130K mile engines! This kit will support upwards of 750 RWHP and 800+ft/lbs on built motors! Driveability remains 100% perfect!

SScam68

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Maybe because you need to buy that stuff along with the kit

Pro Stock John

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I didn't include fuel systems, but if you do, the total cost of a turbo setup (+ fuel stuff like injectors and fuel pumps) can easily hit $8k.

I personally don't think that less than $5,000 is economical for turbo kit companies. If it was they would be better run and better capitalized.

SScam68

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Thats actually more realistic PSJ.

mongse

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That should be at the descretion of the consumer then. You may want twin in-tank pumps, whereas I want a Weldon 2035. Same with a tune.

The only thing I would include in the kit would be a tubular k-member, just for the fact that it makes the routing of piping soooo much easier.

ddnspider

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That was not a profit problem that was a "my brother left me holding the bag problem"