i know it depends on the application purposes, but overall which is a better choice, supercharger or TT? which gives the biggest hp and torque gain? and lastly, wat kind of gain do most ppl see to the wheels after tuning?

 

It all depends on what size equipment you buy, your motor specs., and the tune installed into your PCM. Obviously, if you were to compare a F-1R to a set of twin T-3, the supercharger (F-1) will make more power.

Generally speaking, the supercharger is a little easier to maintain and slightly easier to install. The wow factor can be accomplished by a set of twin turbos.

Give us a call if you'd like to talk about specifics, we'd like to help.

 

Slightly easier to install? I can appreciate that you're here to help people with turbo systems but there is no comparison in installation. Your average supercharger can be installed and running in about 8 hours with everything included in the box. Unless there has been a major advance in turbo "kits" recently you're not going to be able to accomplish a front mount turbo install and be up and running with the same effort and convenience.

I am not trying to bash you or turbos in general. I know they have appeal but the kits aren't mature enough to be a true bolt on experience.....yet.

 

For a better comparison you could also add the install time for headers/y-pipe to the blower car as you are simultaneously replacing your exhaust system while installing a turbo system.

Personally I would take a turbo system over a blower even if it was an 80 hour install.

 

Both types of systems have their good and bad points, and everyone here is going to point them out. lol

Whatever you do, buy a system from a company that has a good long reputation, and can deliver you the system in a decent time frame. Bob

 

Turbos are far superior to blowers.

You specificially asked which is a better choice. There are a lot of variables
hidden in that question...with $$$ being the biggest factor IMO.

 

If I had to do it all over again, I would have gone with an ATI D1SC setup. Putting a turbo on a LS1 is like trying to stuff 50lbs of **** in a 5lb bag!

 

In what way are turbos far superior to blowers? Can you point out a case for me in drag racing where similar sized turbos compete evenly or dominate a blower car at the same weight?

Can you quantify the instant throttle response delivered by the supercharger car over the less than instant response of the average turbo system?

Do you really think there is no parasitic loss in a turbo's operation?

 

Hahaha...isn't that the truth. I've tried to explain that to a few customers.

 

Andereck - I was speaking in general terms. Our single truck kit goes on in a matter of 5 hours. This is full dissassembly and full install. We designed the kit to be easy. We've also encountered several blower kits that were a tight fit and sometimes difficult to un-install. I can recall one kit on a f-body that took us the better part of 3 hours to take off.

 

No they actually seem to run very similar numbers, other than the times I've seen the blower belt or chain break and land on the track.

 

That is funny! I feel your pain Carl, maybe I should have gone with an ATI also.

 

I was too.

Just curious, but I noticed on your web site that the "kits" don't include tuning, fuel systems parts, turbo, manifolds, wastegate or bypass valve. That seems odd that it would be called a turbo kit.

I guess that's why supercharger companies call their kits systems. You don't provide a complete package that someone can install at home??

 

Well, Anderick also mentioned the cars being of equal weight. If you compare a NMRA Drag Radial car, the turbo cars are usually 100-150 lbs LIGHTER than a blower car.

 

Oh ya, and turbo cars never have problems.....that's funny. They also usually run with a weight break or a larger compressor. Presumably this is to make up for their "efficiency".

BTW INTMD8 I do love your car...the detailing is amazing.

 

I don't think anybody offers that. Hell, I have a STS.....and that is FAR from a complete kit. Well, it's complete; save for the fuel pump, injectors, FMIC if you want the IAT under 130 degrees, BOV, tuning, the pushrods and springs that will be beat to oblivion if using stockers, gauges, etc. Oh yes, did I mention exhaust work....

TRT has a good "complete" kit. That falls into the same $$ range as the ATI and Vortech and install is a good couple days.

I think the supercharger kits are more "all-inclusive" per se because the turbo industry is still in a relative infancy state vs supercharger companies that have been around for a decade or more (both Vortech and ATI are over 10 years old.)

Personally, I prefer the hairdryer. It's more of a pain to install and work the bugs out of.....but I think the end state is better. Both SC's and turbos have their definite pros and cons, though. Just my $0.02

 

My centri (Vortech) car is far from instant throttle response. :o

Edit: Unless > 4K rpm.

 

How many 10.5W cars are mopping up with blowers?

 

Not to be a hater here.....

Please explain how you can even place the word "complete" in that sentence. You simply can NOT put that word in the sentence, unless it all shows up in One Box, and be installed in one day start to finish.

Until that happens there is no way to compair a turbo "kit" to a supercharger "system". Not to mention the price difference of what a true supercharger "system" to a turbo "system" costs.



FOR EXAMPLE of "COMPLETE":
In my driveway the past weekend.
Two Supercharger systems where intalled SIDE BY SIDE
On a 2007 Escalade, and a 2007 Hummer H2

Only two boxes showed up at my house.....

Both trucks got the hoods opened......
Parts where taken off....
Superchargers bolted on.....
Injectors swapped.....
Hand held programers downloaded.....


Both trucks drove to my place stock,
Both left supercharged....
And running AMAZING, none the less.
Dyno'ed out with great power gains,
And very happy owners.
And start to finish in a driveway in one day, two "systems".




I could only wish there was a turbo "system" out there that did that.




Turbo's have been around forever....
Turbo companys have as well.....
Cartech, and many others have been around as long as Vortech or ProCharger.

It's about time someone stepped up and just offered real, honest "systems"
But it seems as though they all have their hay days, then fade away for whatever reasons.

Good news is that PTK, HP,Hellion, and others are starting to step up the game.
And I hope all of them the best and brightest Futures.....


But getting turbo "systems" part by part, with back orders after back orders gets old, and frustrating. Plus you never know if the company is going to be around in 10 years, for replacment parts, or headers when they start cracking, and failing.

It's kinda nice to know you can call up Vortech and ProCharger, and still to this DAY, get the parts for your 10-15 year old system replaced.




Sorry for the long post, I know only 17% of the people are still reading by this point.



Later Rockstars,
EA

 

We provide various stages of a kit. You can buy it as a complete nut & bolt kit or a full system. The reason we do this is that most people don't immediately have 5, 6 or 7,000 dollars to lay out at one time. This way, they can purchase the items as they need them or as they have the cash.

Makes it much nicer for the customer.