finally - new dyno numbers
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finally - new dyno numbers Well, I'm back from the dyno ! Finally got the new build finished. Goals were CARB/smog legal, retain good street manners/drivability and make enough power to move out a 3800# vert.
Specifics :
W2W Callies forged 347ci LS6
WCCH 71cc CNC Stage 2 LS1 heads
ATI P1SC @ 8.5psi
NX MAF wet nitrous, 50 shot jets
'04 LS6 cam
dynapack dyno (bolts to the wheel lugs)
low bottle pressure, ~800psi
Continental 3400 stall/Toy Shop built 4L60E
...more details about my setup on my website (link in sig).
I was anticipating running out of fuel at the top end, which I am. 42# injectors and Walbro 340 in-tank aren't cutting it past ~6000rpm.
Results : on 8.5psi boost it made 517rwhp/628rwtq.
On 8.5psi plus the 50 shot it made 564rwhp/743rwtq
I was looking for the converter torque spike since the torque number was pretty high, but there really isn't one on the chart. It makes that much torque and then slowly drops off, there's no "converter flash" hump in the line. Supposedly this has to do with the dynapack dyno and the way it measures power.
The bottle pressure was low, ~800psi. Couldn't wait for the heater anymore, and bottle was probably about half empty, so the n2o number could probably come up a little with a 1100psi bottle. Need more fuel before I try to make any more power with either more boost or more n2o. Maybe next summer I will take the plunge with Nasty Nate's fuel setup.
Overall I'm really happy, and the car feels great ! Here's the dyno graph :
The little 50 shot made ~48rwhp and 114rwtq, haha !! Did I mention this was through CARB legal shorty headers ?
I bet I could pick up about 50rwhp switching to long tubes.
Cheers !
Rob (Bad30th)
Specifics :
W2W Callies forged 347ci LS6
WCCH 71cc CNC Stage 2 LS1 heads
ATI P1SC @ 8.5psi
NX MAF wet nitrous, 50 shot jets
'04 LS6 cam
dynapack dyno (bolts to the wheel lugs)
low bottle pressure, ~800psi
Continental 3400 stall/Toy Shop built 4L60E
...more details about my setup on my website (link in sig).
I was anticipating running out of fuel at the top end, which I am. 42# injectors and Walbro 340 in-tank aren't cutting it past ~6000rpm.
Results : on 8.5psi boost it made 517rwhp/628rwtq.
On 8.5psi plus the 50 shot it made 564rwhp/743rwtq
I was looking for the converter torque spike since the torque number was pretty high, but there really isn't one on the chart. It makes that much torque and then slowly drops off, there's no "converter flash" hump in the line. Supposedly this has to do with the dynapack dyno and the way it measures power.
The bottle pressure was low, ~800psi. Couldn't wait for the heater anymore, and bottle was probably about half empty, so the n2o number could probably come up a little with a 1100psi bottle. Need more fuel before I try to make any more power with either more boost or more n2o. Maybe next summer I will take the plunge with Nasty Nate's fuel setup.
Overall I'm really happy, and the car feels great ! Here's the dyno graph :
The little 50 shot made ~48rwhp and 114rwtq, haha !! Did I mention this was through CARB legal shorty headers ?
I bet I could pick up about 50rwhp switching to long tubes.Cheers !
Rob (Bad30th)
If th converter isnt locked even though you dont see the 'spike' iy will multiply torque, thats what it does. If the converter was locked then thats the torque you have 
Nice numbers with a P1 and short headers, I had JBA shorties on one of my old cars and switching to LTS picked up nearly 40rwhp. Best I could get was 430ish on a stock motor with JBAs so you are doing pretty well. 500rwhp is cool no matter what,
Nice numbers with a P1 and short headers, I had JBA shorties on one of my old cars and switching to LTS picked up nearly 40rwhp. Best I could get was 430ish on a stock motor with JBAs so you are doing pretty well. 500rwhp is cool no matter what,
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Originally Posted by kp
If th converter isnt locked even though you dont see the 'spike' iy will multiply torque, thats what it does. If the converter was locked then thats the torque you have
Nice numbers with a P1 and short headers, I had JBA shorties on one of my old cars and switching to LTS picked up nearly 40rwhp. Best I could get was 430ish on a stock motor with JBAs so you are doing pretty well. 500rwhp is cool no matter what,
Nice numbers with a P1 and short headers, I had JBA shorties on one of my old cars and switching to LTS picked up nearly 40rwhp. Best I could get was 430ish on a stock motor with JBAs so you are doing pretty well. 500rwhp is cool no matter what,
Cheers,
Rob (Bad30th)
Thats pretty impressive power for an unlocked converter, even though the torque would have dropped a lot you would have picked up 30-50rwhp depending how efficient the converter is if you would have dynod locked.
Either way over 500rwhp and CARB legal is pretty cool.
Either way over 500rwhp and CARB legal is pretty cool.
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Originally Posted by LSs1Power
Nice... Take it to another dyno... That graph looks wacky lol.
More info on Dynpack dynos : www dot dynapackusa.com/product.htm
...and yeah, new track times will be coming soon. Had to get it tuned first.
Rob (Bad30th)
Edit : modified dyno accuracy with disclaimer.
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Originally Posted by Bad30th
accurate to within 1/10 of 1hp.
Dyno's are great for tuning, but horrible getting HP numbers. They might as well measure in a pretend unit of garflabs.
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Originally Posted by Zombie
I'd bet money they are not that "accurate". They might be that consistant though. I've never seen an "accurate" dyno.
Dyno's are great for tuning, but horrible getting HP numbers. They might as well measure in a pretend unit of garflabs.
Dyno's are great for tuning, but horrible getting HP numbers. They might as well measure in a pretend unit of garflabs.
As to whether it's "accurate" or not, I'll leave that to experts like you.
I modified my post above with a "supposedly" so as to not mislead anyone.Rob (Bad30th)
Last edited by Bad30th; Dec 29, 2006 at 12:35 PM.
Let me just give a little dyno numbers vs track numbers example that i've experienced. I'm not bashing on your numbers, but too many people just care about a dyno number and that number really doesn't matter. It's good to get a baseline so you can see if you gained or lost when you make a change to the car.
Car A. Makes 470 RWHP, 3800Lbs
Car B. Makes 500 RWHP, 4000Lbs
I'll simplify this and only go by MPH at the track since that correlates to HP. Looking at the numbers Car A and Car B should be very similar at the drag strip. The are not though.
Car A went 130 mph
Car B went 119 mph
I've seen two different 700 dynojet RWHP cars never trap better than 127mph at the track, one was a viper, the other was a vette.
Just can't trust dyno numbers
Now get that thing to the track and see what it does (if there are any tracks left in the peoples communist republic of california
)
Car A. Makes 470 RWHP, 3800Lbs
Car B. Makes 500 RWHP, 4000Lbs
I'll simplify this and only go by MPH at the track since that correlates to HP. Looking at the numbers Car A and Car B should be very similar at the drag strip. The are not though.
Car A went 130 mph
Car B went 119 mph
I've seen two different 700 dynojet RWHP cars never trap better than 127mph at the track, one was a viper, the other was a vette.
Just can't trust dyno numbers
Now get that thing to the track and see what it does (if there are any tracks left in the peoples communist republic of california
) Last edited by Zombie; Dec 29, 2006 at 01:50 PM.
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Originally Posted by DeltaT
What's really suspicious about your non-nitrous numbers is the torque. No one else (that I can think of) with a P1SC on a 347 is getting more torque than HP.
Jim
Jim
All I know is that's what the printout says - and the car feels amazingly strong. As I mentioned, I will be putting it on a Dynojet next month to see how many garflabs it spits out.
If you want to call the dyno shop and argue the semantics with them, here's their number :Extreme Motorsports
818-883-8184
...or you can call Rob Barth @ Strictly Performance who tuned the car. You might remember him from a 800+ hp D1 Camaro that made the front cover of a magazine... http://www.spmotorsports.net
As a side note, I have always made more torque than HP with my setups, although not as much more as this dyno. My old heads/cam setup made 410/415, my last blower dyno was 504/512 anding the pull early with a slipping tranny.
Also, I agree, there's a lot more to ET's than HP and torque printouts from a dyno. Car setup/suspension, weight, tire, driver experience... I am just posting these numbers from the dyno (which I guess I should have known better than to do in here with all you hardcore ET freaks) since I was pretty happy with finally getting the car completed and it was finally running good.
Since this is all meaningless, stay tuned for the all-important track times coming in a few weeks, hopefully.
Rob (Bad30th)
Originally Posted by Bad30th
Since this is all meaningless, stay tuned for the all-important track times coming in a few weeks, hopefully.
Rob (Bad30th)
Rob (Bad30th)
P.S. Feel free to post how many garflabs it makes on the dynojet. It's always nice to see how different dyno's show different "horsepower".
I'm suspicious because my 383 with a small solid roller put down 501rwhp/470rwt through a 4L80E with 7.2# of boost. Nothing magic in your combo so I suspect magic numbers. Also a 50-shot that yields another 118ft/lb of torque?
I'm thinking Extreme has a wicked 'Vanity' dyno.
Jim
I'm thinking Extreme has a wicked 'Vanity' dyno.
Jim
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Originally Posted by DeltaT
I'm suspicious because my 383 with a small solid roller put down 501rwhp/470rwt through a 4L80E with 7.2# of boost. Nothing magic in your combo so I suspect magic numbers. Also a 50-shot that yields another 118ft/lb of torque?
I'm thinking Extreme has a wicked 'Vanity' dyno.
Jim
I'm thinking Extreme has a wicked 'Vanity' dyno.
Jim
There are stock CI cam only cars pushing mid 400's.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamometer-results-comparisons/219024-cam-only-dyno-thread.html
In fact, there's one in that thread with 518rwhp.
...and yes, with a blower, nitrous is compressed along with the air, lowers IAT and makes a shitload of torque. You might consider reading up a little on it.
Rob (Bad30th)
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Originally Posted by Zombie
Let me just give a little dyno numbers vs track numbers example that i've experienced. I'm not bashing on your numbers, but too many people just care about a dyno number and that number really doesn't matter. It's good to get a baseline so you can see if you gained or lost when you make a change to the car.
Car A. Makes 470 RWHP, 3800Lbs
Car B. Makes 500 RWHP, 4000Lbs
I'll simplify this and only go by MPH at the track since that correlates to HP. Looking at the numbers Car A and Car B should be very similar at the drag strip. The are not though.
Car A went 130 mph
Car B went 119 mph
I've seen two different 700 dynojet RWHP cars never trap better than 127mph at the track, one was a viper, the other was a vette.
Just can't trust dyno numbers
Now get that thing to the track and see what it does (if there are any tracks left in the peoples communist republic of california )
Car A. Makes 470 RWHP, 3800Lbs
Car B. Makes 500 RWHP, 4000Lbs
I'll simplify this and only go by MPH at the track since that correlates to HP. Looking at the numbers Car A and Car B should be very similar at the drag strip. The are not though.
Car A went 130 mph
Car B went 119 mph
I've seen two different 700 dynojet RWHP cars never trap better than 127mph at the track, one was a viper, the other was a vette.
Just can't trust dyno numbers
Now get that thing to the track and see what it does (if there are any tracks left in the peoples communist republic of california
)
Originally Posted by Frost
Zombie you have just coined a nice term for for wheel dynamometer units of measure
From this day forward they shall be known as GARFLABS!
From this day forward they shall be known as GARFLABS!
I've been using the garflab as my standard unit of measure when talking about dyno numbers for a while now. I've just gotten fed up with everyone talking about dyno numbers like they are the end all be all of how fast a car is. Seems like everyone talks about how this dyno reads high or this one reads low or this brand is better than brand x, etc. Dyno's are just tools for tuning.
I tune a lot of local cars and do it on a mustang dyno, I always make sure to prepare my customers for a low number and tell them it doesn't matter what the HP says.
Originally Posted by Nickn20
Tell us more about these cars, you cant expect a street tired stick car with 700 rwhp to runs 9s right off the bat.
Whatever.... There are plenty of stick cars that are turbo's making that power struggling to get into 10s but with high traps. 2-steps break 6-speeds.