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Old 04-22-2007, 10:59 PM
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Kit great...motor...somethings broke.....
opened cutout for first pass and it boosted to the moon!!! Just opposite as it did before.....left ok....i let off just before the 1/8 and everything looked ok so i went wot again but it wasnt pulling the same
here is slip
60' 1.490
330 4.014
1/8 6.184 @ 104.6
1/4 9.851 @ 130.89

Pressurized coolant...blew rad hose...filled with water and now its hydrolocked...Ill check it out sometime this week. Gonna fix whatevers wrong...get a 7psi wg spring and c16 and try again....,,,,I should have been more careful and let out at the 330 mark as it should have been obvious that it wasnt only the 13psi i was expecting. Nobodys fault but mine....
I do know that once its "right" it oughta boogie for 3850#

David...that was tbrake/2step at 3500...11 deg timing
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Sick! Goodluck with the teardown. At least these cars keep us busy!
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what size motor you have now jerry? obviously your pleased with the set up, good luck with everything
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Sorry to hear about the motor, but those are some damn good numbers!! Good luck getting it fixed bro...
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dang you break more motors then anyone i know.
so was the [email protected] not full throttle during the whole part of the run.
sucks about your motor, but im sure your used to it by now.
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damn Jerry, you go though motors like its going outta style!
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Man, I hate to hear that the motors hurt. You have to feel a little better running a 9.8 coasting....kit can make big power. Was the EB2 hooked to the gate? Tials hook up different than Incons internal.
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Originally Posted by cablebandit
Kit great...motor...somethings broke.....
opened cutout for first pass and it boosted to the moon!!! Just opposite as it did before.....left ok....i let off just before the 1/8 and everything looked ok so i went wot again but it wasnt pulling the same
here is slip
60' 1.490
330 4.014
1/8 6.184 @ 104.6
1/4 9.851 @ 130.89

Pressurized coolant...blew rad hose...filled with water and now its hydrolocked...Ill check it out sometime this week. Gonna fix whatevers wrong...get a 7psi wg spring and c16 and try again....,,,,I should have been more careful and let out at the 330 mark as it should have been obvious that it wasnt only the 13psi i was expecting. Nobodys fault but mine....
I do know that once its "right" it oughta boogie for 3850#

David...that was tbrake/2step at 3500...11 deg timing

Nice 1/8th mile

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Originally Posted by BMR Fabrication Inc.
Nice 1/8th mile

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and notice that he said that he let out just BEFORE the 1/8th still trapped a 6.18...went WOT again and trapped a 9.85 1/4
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eboost2 was connected but set at like "03" which should be wastegate spring boost. Weird that it acted totally opposite with the cutout as it did before i got my exhaust welded up. Ill get it....it was still running and not making any racket.

I let off at 107mph before the 1/8 and then coasted a bit and got back into it after the 1/8. The 330' is good for a 9.38...the 1/8 was good for a 9.53 so I know it will get it done eventually....timing was 10-11 degrees so its got some *** left in it....especially with a better 60'...another grand on the 2step/brake and some tuning down low and it should go. Ill get it one day.......prolly got the head...we will see.
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man cable, don't know to either congratula-ya or what?! Good to see the kit is moving out... cannot wait for mine to be running.

What tire/wheel combo you running in the back? look like 28's from your avatar... how was the run also, pedaling or non-eventful?

ge-r' don!!!
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what kinda tire?

so your total 2 step timing was 11? well thats very conservative i would say.

did you leave from a sportsman tree? what was your r/t how long did you wait etc. happen to see the boost number when you left?

my 2 step is so darn loud though... oh yea and sorry about the mishap.. i know its hard to let out when you are on a run like that.

i see that you arent disclosing the actual boost number? heh.
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he was running the same MT DR's that he drove over there on...I do know that...
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yeup, noticed that as well.. im sure he'll let us know on a need to know bases. lol!!!

interesting, three 4l80e turbo f-bodies roaming this thread!!
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as far as I know...Jerry is tearing it down to access the damage...we should all hear from him by day's end...
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headgasket and spot on the head bout size of a dime....Ill be running by the weekend i think....depends on the machine shop.

Boost seems to have been around 20.5psi with 22peak at shifts..... .03kr at the 2-3 shift
gas was about 7 gallons 93 and a can of torco...i had no idea boost was going to go up so i thought fuel was fine for the 10-13psi i was expecting

15x8 with 275/60/15 MT Drs at 16 cold psi...temp was somewhere in the 70s i think

David.....i only made 4 psi on the brake/2 step....r/t was .735......yeah i was asleep at the tree...sportsman tree. Timing was low just to be conservative.....i tried to start way conservative so I know it has a good bit more in it. I totally forgot to do something ONfire mentioned....take my boost ve table and make it stupid rich for 15+ psi since i was only expecting 10-13psi....then it would have gone waaayy rich and layed over letting me know something was wrong. I just have to get/be more prepared....I really need to make a checklist as i forget too much...I have had many probs that were from not remembering to do things and some from fault parts. I can at least alleviate one of those

vid has no sound as my wife did it with the dig camera....
http://cablebandit.net/videos/blown-4-21-07.MP4
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Originally Posted by cablebandit
headgasket and spot on the head bout size of a dime....Ill be running by the weekend i think....depends on the machine shop.
That's the best news I've heard all day!!!
Awesome!!!
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Jerry...get me some dimensions on your bottom radiator hose...ID both ends...length before and between each bend, etc...I want to look tonight and see if I can find something fairly close to the overall configuration, or at least eliminate one piece of pipe...
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i will...lol...the piece i needed.....there is one laying in the floorboard of the dually
It blew the hose because of cylinder pressure hitting the coolant system...no biggie Al...i think we got it covered.
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seems like an normal run....... for cable that is!!!

seriously, im like you dude! I wanta get out there so fast that sometimes i forget the little things. OR, perfect example, i was replacing the manifold and springs on the 408ci. Manifold was one prior twice due to me having to redue the knock sensors..

anyways, manifold is on, again... changing exhaust spring, AGAIN!! for cylinder #2 and blamo, while compressing the spring, the rocker bolt broke off in the head! Then, i guess i was rushed a bit, while trying to remove the bolt, i broke of the tap that would of removed the broken bolt!! great huh?!

anyways, cars is running good... what do you think you would of ran at 10-13psi?
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Holy Hell Jerry!! That thing move's on out!!!Hate to hear about the head,but glad it was nothing to serious,and you will be able to get it going this week!
Definatly quick,that is for sure!
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Well congrats, sorta

Good meeting you guys yeaterday, car looks/runs great and I'm sure you will have it back going soon.
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Thanks KP.....boost would spike 2-3 psi at the top of each gear...thats what got it...that and no c16!! Lesson learned....good to meet you....your car is really CLEAN!!! It was also really consistant and RELIABLE which is what I am working on if I can quit f'ing up.

Machine shop said get the head there tuesday and ill have it wednesday!!!
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Originally Posted by cablebandit
Machine shop said get the head there tuesday and ill have it wednesday!!!
they sure take care of their regulars!
that's great news as well...
going fast sure has it's consequences...exactly the reason I haven't experienced any yet...
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Originally Posted by cablebandit
Thanks KP.....boost would spike 2-3 psi at the top of each gear...thats what got it...that and no c16!! Lesson learned....good to meet you....your car is really CLEAN!!! It was also really consistant and RELIABLE which is what I am working on if I can quit f'ing up.

Machine shop said get the head there tuesday and ill have it wednesday!!!

You are pretty much there, at least you know what its capable of now. Maybe just creep up on it a little slower next time lol. I hate days like yesterday though, I was tempted to swap pulleys and speed it up a little but I had a mission..
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Like I said on ARS.net I knew I should have gotten off my *** and went to Steele.. It sucks that it tore up on you, but at least everything seems good to go as long as it didnt get the rings any. As soon as I get mine going and you get yours dialed in we are gonna do some damn racing! Gonna suck gettin my *** spanked by a 3800lb pig though.. lol
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I hope you got yours going soon as its getting hot QUICK!!! I may be back at Steele in 2 weeks

Kp, you are right, i now know its capable of doing what i want....I was TRYING to sneak up on it...just had no idea the boost would go that high.....good thing the timing was low. Tomorrow I will pull that wastegate spring out and put in the 11psi spring that i have. The 1.32 housing did surprisingly welll......once i take the time to work on the tune down low, i think it will be perfect
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so what caused the hydra lock? the 20.5psi that you posted earlier or the 13psi..... im comfused
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so what caused the hydra lock? the 20.5psi that you posted earlier or the 13psi..... im comfused
20psi with spikes to 22ish on shifts .....97octane...too hot of plug (gasketed tr6 equivalent).....i just wasnt prepared to run that kind of boost. I had only planned on seeing 10-13psi and my setup was fine for that. I had never run the car even on the street with the cutout open as I just got it friday so I had no idea the boost was gonna go up. I just put a smaller wastegate spring in last night and ordered the headgaskets from Gmpartsdirect. Should be rockin again here soon. At least i know the kit is gonna perform!!!

I use a tial knockoff bov and wg. Joel uses the real thing when he supplies a kit. The knockoffs work fine but you dont know what spring you are getting in either. I had to trim a coil off the bov to get it right and SHOULD have installed the 11psi spring in the wastegate i have before i ever started the car but didnt hoping the supplied spring would be even lower.
Next passes will be in the same 1/4 et range i imagine with appropriate 330' and 1/8 times. My slip should look like
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the pass i did run had a 330' that equates to around a high 9.3 1/4 and a 1/8 that equates to a mid 9.5 1/4.......i wont planning on running that much boost again for a bit though as i want to sneak back up on it.








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let me know if you need some 7, 8 or 9 NGK's...
are you taking it somewhere this weekend?
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Very nice, what is the compression of the engine?
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c/r is 9.3....i copied KP It drives NICE off boost and better gas mileage.

Al i am gonna run the next step colder i think which is a 9322 i think...autolite. I got 9323 i think now. I am gonna run some el cheapo oil thru it for about 5 minutes to make sure any water or condensation is gone and then back to synthetic.

I looked at the headers/flanges etc and no leaks/cracks....thats really good news
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Can you post your combo, I don't think you posted the engine ci, etc...

I've got some 6.3's that were all in the 9's... my 5.9 and 6.0 passes were all like 9.40 - 9.6's.
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Use AR3911 autolites..

3922's arent really that much colder then the 3923.
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jerry look at the ngk 7173, i like mine. (gasketed)
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the Autolite AR3911 and the NGK 7173 (or R5672A-8) cross to each other...both are heat range of 8...both are projected tips however...
the ones he had changed to on last motor were non-projected version of the same gasket seat plugs...same heat range...
NGK 4554 (or R5671A-8) is the number...
Jerry, I have these on-hand...OR...I can have either of the two mentioned by kp & MM today if I know before 2pm...
the non-projected R5671A's are available in heat ranges 7-11
the projected tip R5672A's are available in heat ranges 8-10
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last time we discussed the plugs...w/ pics of projected vs non...
https://ls1tech.com/forums/showthrea...4&page=3&pp=20
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I'm trying the NGK BP7EFS stk# 3526 supposed to be one step colder than a TR6. Idles well....so far so good.

4554 and 7173 are 0.750 reach....stock is 0.708 reach...does the gasket design make up the difference?

I'm going to try NGK RS724-8 (7317) if the BP's don't work at 18psi.
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both the 7317 and the 3526 are tapered seat plugs...of the same design...the racing designation given is only due to the heat range...per NGK
even the 7173 has a non-racing designated plug in a heat range of 7...

of the plugs discussed...the R5671A ("non-projected") is the only one that all heat ranges, 7-11, are designated as race plugs...I can only assume it is due to it's "non-projectedness"
also, of the plugs discussed, the group that the 7173 is in is the only group designated as projected...
although the TR5,TR6,BP7EFS and 7317 are not listed as a projected design, look at the difference between them and the 4554...
the pic in the old thread is a TR6 (4177) side by side w/ the 4554

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The AR autolites have a beefier ground strap, they will work fine.
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