KYTP to prove a point.
heres one of my dreams, i really want our shop to do it but u can if you want
BIG *** BODIED old rolls royce or bentley with a crazy powerful LSx motor, full interior and sound sytem a/c the whole deal. so it can carry 5 people and still run a high ten
BIG *** BODIED old rolls royce or bentley with a crazy powerful LSx motor, full interior and sound sytem a/c the whole deal. so it can carry 5 people and still run a high ten
I would assume one of the larger shops will have a new camaro turbo'd and in the tens before you can even buy one from a local dealer.
IMO if I was selling turbo kits I would worry about building simple and reliable bolt on kits that make decent power and are 100% complete and upgradeable. Unless you move your shop focus to one-off custom stuff building a world beater turbo F-body isnt going to do much but drain your reserve cash.
IMO if I was selling turbo kits I would worry about building simple and reliable bolt on kits that make decent power and are 100% complete and upgradeable. Unless you move your shop focus to one-off custom stuff building a world beater turbo F-body isnt going to do much but drain your reserve cash.
I think what he's wanting to do is to make a completely bad *** street car. He doesn't want slicks and skinnies and isn't worried about going to the track and busting off a 7 or 8 second pass. I really look at MightyMouse's car and Mike's 02 CETA. Both of those cars were completely badass. 4L80E will probably be in the car just as both of those guys have.
We were talking last night about a LSX block, somewhere in the 440 cubic inch range with all billet internals somewhere around 8.5:1 compression. Like you said, keeping creature comforts will be a goal so he will probably go with tube headers instead of the manifolds. Twin 88's with some bling under the hood. Just a simple 6 point with swingouts for comfortability. Keep the interior stock with 5 point harnasses through the seats. Going on the PowerTour and other cruises and car shows is also another marketplace for business. We're just kicking around ideas now.
We were talking last night about a LSX block, somewhere in the 440 cubic inch range with all billet internals somewhere around 8.5:1 compression. Like you said, keeping creature comforts will be a goal so he will probably go with tube headers instead of the manifolds. Twin 88's with some bling under the hood. Just a simple 6 point with swingouts for comfortability. Keep the interior stock with 5 point harnasses through the seats. Going on the PowerTour and other cruises and car shows is also another marketplace for business. We're just kicking around ideas now.
I agree there, but you will have a couple year lag before people start cutting up their brand new, in warranty 35K+ cars so there is plenty of time to hop on that bandwagon. For now a solid 4th gen or even mustang product is needed to keep the doors open until the 5th gen rolls out and there is no guarantee the 5th gen wont be a complete turd sales-wise.
I think what he's wanting to do is to make a completely bad *** street car. He doesn't want slicks and skinnies and isn't worried about going to the track and busting off a 7 or 8 second pass. I really look at MightyMouse's car and Mike's 02 CETA. Both of those cars were completely badass. 4L80E will probably be in the car just as both of those guys have.
We were talking last night about a LSX block, somewhere in the 440 cubic inch range with all billet internals somewhere around 8.5:1 compression. Like you said, keeping creature comforts will be a goal so he will probably go with tube headers instead of the manifolds. Twin 88's with some bling under the hood. Just a simple 6 point with swingouts for comfortability. Keep the interior stock with 5 point harnasses through the seats. Going on the PowerTour and other cruises and car shows is also another marketplace for business. We're just kicking around ideas now.
We were talking last night about a LSX block, somewhere in the 440 cubic inch range with all billet internals somewhere around 8.5:1 compression. Like you said, keeping creature comforts will be a goal so he will probably go with tube headers instead of the manifolds. Twin 88's with some bling under the hood. Just a simple 6 point with swingouts for comfortability. Keep the interior stock with 5 point harnasses through the seats. Going on the PowerTour and other cruises and car shows is also another marketplace for business. We're just kicking around ideas now.
I agree there, but you will have a couple year lag before people start cutting up their brand new, in warranty 35K+ cars so there is plenty of time to hop on that bandwagon. For now a solid 4th gen or even mustang product is needed to keep the doors open until the 5th gen rolls out and there is no guarantee the 5th gen wont be a complete turd sales-wise.
Its a tough business building turbo kits is
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yup... 
There still arent that many players that build a ready to go kit that makes big power and keeps the air .Most of the few that do have problems getting them to you and problems with customer relations.I think a well sorted kit that keeps the air and makes good power and has no issues would sell very well.I know a lot of people dont care about air but most street car owners would like to keep it.
There still arent that many players that build a ready to go kit that makes big power and keeps the air .Most of the few that do have problems getting them to you and problems with customer relations.I think a well sorted kit that keeps the air and makes good power and has no issues would sell very well.I know a lot of people dont care about air but most street car owners would like to keep it.
build a budget truck manifold single setup. something that everyone would have a chance too afford. build so it could be sold later on and all the customer would need to do is supply the truck manifolds, turbo and gates/bov's.
thats a street car that all "Joe's" can get into!
i say be realistic to a large market. but build it showing what its capable of.
shops almost always build ricockulously powerful and expensive cars that make people say ahhhhh, then OHHHH $H1T when they see the pricing ...go a different route and corner the market.
thats a street car that all "Joe's" can get into!
i say be realistic to a large market. but build it showing what its capable of.
shops almost always build ricockulously powerful and expensive cars that make people say ahhhhh, then OHHHH $H1T when they see the pricing ...go a different route and corner the market.
shops almost always build ricockulously powerful and expensive cars that make people say ahhhhh, then OHHHH $H1T when they see the pricing ...go a different route and corner the market.
I am not out to prove anything, except a point. We all want a 1000rwhp car that idles nice, get's 28mpg, has A/C, runs 8's, traps 200+, does it all on street tires, and then sits in traffic and stays cool. We want it for under $15k too.
I am kicking idea's around right now. I dont have an unlimited budget. I have a healthy budget in mind. Just not unlimited. A 5th Gen would be nice. I wont lie. I cant compete with the bigger shops in that market. I still have a full time job on top of the turbo shop.
What I am leaning towards now is a bullet proof, dead reliable, completely streetable Turbo car. One that is fun, relaistic, and easy to manage. I never figured this thread would go this far. It cool to see what you guys are thinking. Alot of you make great points.
Another LS1 car is in the works. That is a definate. I have alot of ideas to hash out. I have alot of things going in the shop. This car will be used to promote the shop. Keep the ideas comming.
The F.I. forum needs a thread like this every once in a while.
I say build the fastest or mabye one of the fastest f bodys that still has all the comforts,air cond.,pr.steering, overdrive trans.,every thing a good street car has and make it totally streetable,no running hot,no burned wires,no boiling fluids and EVERYBODY will be listining.I think a turbo setup like this at a competitive price would sell a ton!I know this is a tall order but you like a challenge anyway!Surely this can be done.
I had a couple ideas. You could start building hot parts for single turbo SBC G bodies(78-88) as well as F bodies (67-69) and (82-92).
With the amount of LS1 swapped 1st gen F bodies out there, I would think there would be a market for either hot parts or a complete kit. They'd also fit 68-74 Novas. I'd buy a set of hot parts for my LS1 Nova project.
With the amount of LS1 swapped 1st gen F bodies out there, I would think there would be a market for either hot parts or a complete kit. They'd also fit 68-74 Novas. I'd buy a set of hot parts for my LS1 Nova project.
Why not a Colorado/Canyon truck? They will have a 5.3 next spring. Build a twin turbo with a 403" LS3/L92 (Stock 4.065 bore and a 3.9" crank) that will keep A/C, throw in a 4L80 with 4X4. Make it look stock on the exterior. That would corner a market for you also.
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build a street car with 800 rwhp with the most inexpensive parts you can use that will work. build a budget minded set-up people will want to come to you for so you can build one for them as well. thats a shop car imo.
Unless you wanted to do a showcase car then thats different and more money
Unless you wanted to do a showcase car then thats different and more money