I need advice on my next setup..
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Re: I need advice on my next setup.. Hi Vince. Buy something already!
I would say get your money out of the block you have. The whole point of going boost is running plenty of it right? You can get a bigger motor when/if the current one grenades. Besides, you can give your checkbook a workout buying the framework to support even more power. Fuel system, FAST, a new rear end and probably converting over to an auto to deal with all that hawsepowah once your T56 is shrapnel. Turbo is the way to go if you can deal with the tuning as you know. Twin turbo because it sounds cooler when you tell people about your setup
Quad turbo would be the best of course.
I would say get your money out of the block you have. The whole point of going boost is running plenty of it right? You can get a bigger motor when/if the current one grenades. Besides, you can give your checkbook a workout buying the framework to support even more power. Fuel system, FAST, a new rear end and probably converting over to an auto to deal with all that hawsepowah once your T56 is shrapnel. Turbo is the way to go if you can deal with the tuning as you know. Twin turbo because it sounds cooler when you tell people about your setup
Quad turbo would be the best of course. 
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Re: I need advice on my next setup.. I think you should custom make a turbo manifold (log style) and mount the turbo up front. (Manifold will come up and forward...
Gravity return line and pressure feed line from above the oil filter. (possibly with a restrictor)
use a single and make a crossover pipe.
I would go with a boost referenced SMC alky/water system and gut the front of the car to mount the intercooler in the front bumper support area.
Really work on airflow through the engine compartment to reduce heat.
Go with FAST engine management and 80+# injectors and custom fuel system.
You are talking BIGGG bucks to do this right.
Personally I think a blower could deliver more power than you could use on the street
Cheers,
Chris
Gravity return line and pressure feed line from above the oil filter. (possibly with a restrictor)
use a single and make a crossover pipe.
I would go with a boost referenced SMC alky/water system and gut the front of the car to mount the intercooler in the front bumper support area.
Really work on airflow through the engine compartment to reduce heat.
Go with FAST engine management and 80+# injectors and custom fuel system.
You are talking BIGGG bucks to do this right.
Personally I think a blower could deliver more power than you could use on the street
Cheers,
Chris
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Re: I need advice on my next setup.. good setup chris, you could probably get away with two passenger side manifolds or shorties, or maybe a regular set and flip them. you'd probably have to relocate some junk.
also, if your going with a good alky kit...no need for the intercooler and all that plumbing. its cools way better by itself.
also, if your going with a good alky kit...no need for the intercooler and all that plumbing. its cools way better by itself.
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Re: I need advice on my next setup.. Intercooler would only be as a cushion in case of pump failure or something on the SMC kit. Plus you could really get aggressive with boost and the racegas tune with intercooling and SMC. You could have consistent sub ambient temps
Cheers,
Chris
Cheers,
Chris
Re: I need advice on my next setup.. All sounds good to me, but as far as reccomending alky setups I think we would want to see folks tell us how it is working firsthand so we can see how it should be set up.
Vince, for 12 psi you might be able to keep the stock pcm and run the newer 55 lb Siemens high impedance injectors. The MAF will be maxed out so it's something you would need to research.
I totally call my car a project. I want to run 9.5@145mph at 3400 raceweight and that's a lot of power to move that heavy of a car.
Vince, for 12 psi you might be able to keep the stock pcm and run the newer 55 lb Siemens high impedance injectors. The MAF will be maxed out so it's something you would need to research.
I totally call my car a project. I want to run 9.5@145mph at 3400 raceweight and that's a lot of power to move that heavy of a car.
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Re: I need advice on my next setup.. vince we are all projects that why hopefully some of you guys can get it done faster then prostock and myself. Hopefuly you will all learn from what mistakes and changes we have had to make so that your set up goes smoother.
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Re: I need advice on my next setup.. It depends on the headers. If race car yes. If street car no. 3 inch flanges on the MAC collectors with 3 inch Ypipe and bullet will support 650RWHP IMO.
I think you are going to get cubically expensive with the turbo setup.
I think you can hit 600RWHP with the following:
9:1 pistons or blower ported heads
Right blower cam
55# injectors
Good fuel system with regulator
good tuning
D1SC with 15#'s boost (need the right pulley setup to avoid slippage)
3 core front mount intercooler
SMC water/alky kit
headstuds/gaskets
How much do you think you really need for the street? 600RWHP will be pretty much useless hehe
Also forget your stock rear, it wont last at all...
cheers,
Chris
I think you are going to get cubically expensive with the turbo setup.
I think you can hit 600RWHP with the following:
9:1 pistons or blower ported heads
Right blower cam
55# injectors
Good fuel system with regulator
good tuning
D1SC with 15#'s boost (need the right pulley setup to avoid slippage)
3 core front mount intercooler
SMC water/alky kit
headstuds/gaskets
How much do you think you really need for the street? 600RWHP will be pretty much useless hehe
Also forget your stock rear, it wont last at all...
cheers,
Chris
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Re: I need advice on my next setup.. I keep hearing about this SMC water/alky kit.. How much is it? Chris you talk a good supercharger setup. We are going to name you the Supercharger Ambassador.. If I go supercharger I am going to blame it on you.. 15#'s with a supercharger would be around 700rwhp.. I agree 600rwhp alone is a lot for the street.. I just want to keep up with those Supras... I guess my 4.10's is too much for the street as well. Maybe going back to 3.42's are in order.. They are stronger and should last longer..
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Re: I need advice on my next setup.. I found this on the Corvette Forum..
427TT to 427TT stage II 800RWHP
Includes:
New larger turbochargers and housings
Custom fabricated exhaust manifolds
Custom fabricated ductwork
Custom fabricated centermount single intercooler
Re-assembly of vehicle and turbo system
Re-calibration of ECM
$60,000.00
This package will also require a boost controller($1250.00) , and race gas, to achieve 800RWHP on the high boost setting. Due to the programming necessary, the calibration will be rich at low RPM’s on the high boost setting. We will offer a $1200.00 trade in allowance for the original turbo components that are not re-used in the 427TT stageII package. Due to the high horsepower nature of this package, it cannot be covered under our warranty.
Let me know what you guys think,
Ed
How was this accomplished by Lingenfelter on the stock pcm????
427TT to 427TT stage II 800RWHP
Includes:
New larger turbochargers and housings
Custom fabricated exhaust manifolds
Custom fabricated ductwork
Custom fabricated centermount single intercooler
Re-assembly of vehicle and turbo system
Re-calibration of ECM
$60,000.00
This package will also require a boost controller($1250.00) , and race gas, to achieve 800RWHP on the high boost setting. Due to the programming necessary, the calibration will be rich at low RPM’s on the high boost setting. We will offer a $1200.00 trade in allowance for the original turbo components that are not re-used in the 427TT stageII package. Due to the high horsepower nature of this package, it cannot be covered under our warranty.
Let me know what you guys think,
Ed
How was this accomplished by Lingenfelter on the stock pcm????
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Re: I need advice on my next setup.. hehe I am a fan of supercharging for sure.
Easy to tune, predictable boost, pretty reliable.
(If you have a wastegate go out with a turbo kiss your motor goodbye
Also even the axles and posi in the stock rear will be suspect with 600+RWHP. If you run a DR you could break the rear even on a 3-4 shift. Ask nineball about his nitrous pass with the rear grenading at around 125mph!
SMC base kit is 399.00 and includes everything you need.
If I wasn't so happy with my current combo and after putting a bid on a house I would be running a custom ATI or Vortech setup with alky and intercooler now.
Easy to tune, predictable boost, pretty reliable.
(If you have a wastegate go out with a turbo kiss your motor goodbye
Also even the axles and posi in the stock rear will be suspect with 600+RWHP. If you run a DR you could break the rear even on a 3-4 shift. Ask nineball about his nitrous pass with the rear grenading at around 125mph!
SMC base kit is 399.00 and includes everything you need.
If I wasn't so happy with my current combo and after putting a bid on a house I would be running a custom ATI or Vortech setup with alky and intercooler now.
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Re: I need advice on my next setup.. I was just playing vince I know you are watching us.
Prostock thanks for the compliment man, Im glad someone is learning from the time and money cartek and I put into my car.
Prostock thanks for the compliment man, Im glad someone is learning from the time and money cartek and I put into my car.