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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 09:49 PM
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I have a 98 camaro making 560HP 617TQ with a D1SC showing 14-15psi through EPP's FMIC kit. My car is in the shop getting a clutch replaced under warranty so its out of commision anyway.Any reason not to pulley down and add another 5 or so pounds of boost? Any forseeable issues I ought to be aware of?
Its at the shop that tuned it so they can retune easily and I plan to have them retorque the heads since it hasn't been done yet.
The engine is all forged, crower rods, mahle pistons, 9:1 compression with all ARP studs and bolts. Fuel system is a sumped tank, A1000 pump, and all aeromotive lines, rails, regulators and 60# injectors. There is no particular reason I feel the need for more power other than the car is in the shop anyway, and I am curious to see where the safe limit is and what the car will make.

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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 09:59 PM
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i dont see a reason not too..
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Old Jun 13, 2008 | 11:53 PM
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do it ! It'll definately put a on your face. hah
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I have a 98 camaro making 560HP 617TQ with a D1SC showing 14-15psi through EPP's FMIC kit. My car is in the shop getting a clutch replaced under warranty so its out of commision anyway.Any reason not to pulley down and add another 5 or so pounds of boost? Any forseeable issues I ought to be aware of?
Its at the shop that tuned it so they can retune easily and I plan to have them retorque the heads since it hasn't been done yet.
The engine is all forged, crower rods, mahle pistons, 9:1 compression with all ARP studs and bolts. Fuel system is a sumped tank, A1000 pump, and all aeromotive lines, rails, regulators and 60# injectors. There is no particular reason I feel the need for more power other than the car is in the shop anyway, and I am curious to see where the safe limit is and what the car will make.

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Your rwhp is awfully low for producing 14-15 psi! The most boost we have seen with a D-1SC is 16 psi, done on two different combinations that are shown in my project car section. One is a 346 with Callies Compstar rods, Diamond pistons, Total Seal rings, Patriot LQ9 stage 2 heads, LS6 intake, etc. It is making 740 rwhp on my conservative Mustang Chassis Dyno.
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com/dyno.php

Maybe the clutch was slipping when you had it tuned? Bob
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Old Jun 14, 2008 | 07:23 AM
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I think you could do it, but I have only seen people make 18#'s of boost on the D1SC. I have heard of people making 20#'s but never seen it. Guys with the D1 could probably make 20#'s but I doubt (like Bob) that you'll see it on your D1SC.

I have the smallest pulley combo available on my Z28, and on a very cold day at sea level my D1SC only saw 15#'s of boost (granted I only have a ported LT1 intake and ported AFR 180 heads and a very large cam), but even if I had the ideal setup, I doubt I would see more than 2-3#'s more.
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Old Jun 14, 2008 | 08:03 AM
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Your rwhp is awfully low for producing 14-15 psi! The most boost we have seen with a D-1SC is 16 psi, done on two different combinations that are shown in my project car section. One is a 346 with Callies Compstar rods, Diamond pistons, Total Seal rings, Patriot LQ9 stage 2 heads, LS6 intake, etc. It is making 740 rwhp on my conservative Mustang Chassis Dyno.
http://www.exoticperformanceplus.com/dyno.php

Maybe the clutch was slipping when you had it tuned? Bob
This was tuned on a mustang dyno as well, but the car was doing burnouts on the dyno, which probably contributed to the lower number.
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Old Jun 14, 2008 | 04:03 PM
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I would be more concered with lifting the heads . I know a guy running 18# and is pushing coolent every pass
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I think you could do it, but I have only seen people make 18#'s of boost on the D1SC. I have heard of people making 20#'s but never seen it. Guys with the D1 could probably make 20#'s but I doubt (like Bob) that you'll see it on your D1SC.

I have the smallest pulley combo available on my Z28, and on a very cold day at sea level my D1SC only saw 15#'s of boost (granted I only have a ported LT1 intake and ported AFR 180 heads and a very large cam), but even if I had the ideal setup, I doubt I would see more than 2-3#'s more.
What is the smallest pulley I could use with out overspinning the blower? I have the ATI 8 rib conversion, unsure of the exact diameter measurements. I am only spinning the motor to 6,800 rpm. I am not good with math, so help here would be greatly appreciated.
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I would be more concered with lifting the heads . I know a guy running 18# and is pushing coolent every pass
even without retorqueing the heads yet I havent seen any signs of head lift, I feel fairly secure on that front at least. Still am going to have em retightened though.
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We run 18 pounds on my Z28 and don't have any problems. We're using AFR heads which are much thicker than an oem style head. I wouldn't run an oem style past 16 psi. Bob
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What is the smallest pulley I could use with out overspinning the blower? I have the ATI 8 rib conversion, unsure of the exact diameter measurements. I am only spinning the motor to 6,800 rpm. I am not good with math, so help here would be greatly appreciated.
lmpeller Speed
To determine the impeller speed, the following formula is used:
Maximum impeller speed = crankshaft pulley diameter (N1) divided by supercharger pulley diameter (N2),
multiplied by the step-up ratio (4.10 for the P-series/D series - 5.40 for the F series), multiplied by engine rpm at redline.

Your crankshaft diameter is 7.65, max rpm of the D-1SC is 62,000 rpm.
A 3.40 will put you at 62,730 at 6800 which would be just fine. Bob
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Originally Posted by SR-71 SS
even without retorqueing the heads yet I havent seen any signs of head lift, I feel fairly secure on that front at least. Still am going to have em retightened though.

Well they guy I am takin about has stock casting heads . I guess the aftermartket head with the thick decks is the ticket to keeping the heads down .
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Originally Posted by CamaroSS19
I would be more concered with lifting the heads . I know a guy running 18# and is pushing coolent every pass
Running boost period would be something that should concern anyone who doesn't have the motor correctly built or setup to handle the boost.
Not to start getting off topic, but generally speaking, a stock high CR engine with non-forged internals + boost will =

Originally Posted by SR-71 SS
What is the smallest pulley I could use with out overspinning the blower? I have the ATI 8 rib conversion, unsure of the exact diameter measurements. I am only spinning the motor to 6,800 rpm. I am not good with math, so help here would be greatly appreciated.
What Bob said
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Originally Posted by CALL911
Running boost period would be something that should concern anyone who doesn't have the motor correctly built or setup to handle the boost.
Not to start getting off topic, but generally speaking, a stock high CR engine with non-forged internals + boost will =
His motor is completly built piece it just has stock casting 5.3 ported heads the car makes 780Rwhp
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Originally Posted by Exotic Performance Plus
lmpeller Speed
To determine the impeller speed, the following formula is used:
Maximum impeller speed = crankshaft pulley diameter (N1) divided by supercharger pulley diameter (N2),
multiplied by the step-up ratio (4.10 for the P-series/D series - 5.40 for the F series), multiplied by engine rpm at redline.

Your crankshaft diameter is 7.65, max rpm of the D-1SC is 62,000 rpm.
A 3.40 will put you at 62,730 at 6800 which would be just fine. Bob
Thank you very much, a 3.4" pulley it is then, now for a good, affordable set of direct fit drag rims and sticky tires so I won't just do bigger burnouts on the dyno when it gets retuned. I will have some new numbers to post up probably in a few weeks.

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