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He currently runs a 390 cubic inch LT1 motor and a 94mm turbo with a T56 and loves it. Powershift that bitch and doesnt lose a whole lot of boost, and the front end never drops.
needless to say Im not as pessimistic about spool time as some of you are.
But all I can do is prove you wrong.
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As opposed to just assuming things, i have talked to several people who either build turbo cars, or race them themselves. otherwhitemeat has been running giant turbos on 400 cubes and less for awhile now.
He currently runs a 390 cubic inch LT1 motor and a 94mm turbo with a T56 and loves it. Powershift that bitch and doesnt lose a whole lot of boost, and the front end never drops.
needless to say Im not as pessimistic about spool time as some of you are.
But all I can do is prove you wrong.
He currently runs a 390 cubic inch LT1 motor and a 94mm turbo with a T56 and loves it. Powershift that bitch and doesnt lose a whole lot of boost, and the front end never drops.
needless to say Im not as pessimistic about spool time as some of you are.
But all I can do is prove you wrong.
Hahahah looking forward to your results as you have "assumed" nothing...
The more the vehicle weighs the more work the engine has to do to move it. Try lifting a pen. Now, try moving a piano. Which is easier?
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From: Cecil County Raceway!!!
just because one is lighter only means it can accelerate faster...motor probably won't see much different...tranny and rear won't be as happy though
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Youre right, I havent. I get the people who know what they are talking about on the phone and then do what they recommend. In fact, the people who are building your car according to your signature have helped me out alot with what parts to use.
But who am I kidding, youre the one who wasted however many dollars on an STS kit to make 600whp and blister yourself to a stunning 11.0. Could have bought a bottle for 1/8 the cost and went just as fast. I should be listening to you when putting my car together!
But you keep internet racing there cowboy. Its a shame you wont be in Memphis, I would have loved to slap that rear mount car around.
But who am I kidding, youre the one who wasted however many dollars on an STS kit to make 600whp and blister yourself to a stunning 11.0. Could have bought a bottle for 1/8 the cost and went just as fast. I should be listening to you when putting my car together!
But you keep internet racing there cowboy. Its a shame you wont be in Memphis, I would have loved to slap that rear mount car around.
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Youre right, I havent. I get the people who know what they are talking about on the phone and then do what they recommend. In fact, the people who are building your car according to your signature have helped me out alot with what parts to use.
But who am I kidding, youre the one who wasted however many dollars on an STS kit to make 600whp and blister yourself to a stunning 11.0. Could have bought a bottle for 1/8 the cost and went just as fast. I should be listening to you when putting my car together!
But you keep internet racing there cowboy. Its a shame you wont be in Memphis, I would have loved to slap that rear mount car around.
But who am I kidding, youre the one who wasted however many dollars on an STS kit to make 600whp and blister yourself to a stunning 11.0. Could have bought a bottle for 1/8 the cost and went just as fast. I should be listening to you when putting my car together!
But you keep internet racing there cowboy. Its a shame you wont be in Memphis, I would have loved to slap that rear mount car around.
I wasnt bashing you or even questioning you until you came out with your condescending reply. My STS experience was my first FI experience... I obviously wouldn’t do it twice with the same goals in mind. I will say that I was the first to ever push an STS kit to that level... and would of had some solid 10's in that setup but due to my own mistakes I blew the bottom end.
Now I have spent alot of money.. more then I care to admit. But that is what happens when you want to break the mold in the FI world... I wanted to do something different. You can feel free to stand on the shoulders of those of us that try different things... but remember who's shoulders you are standing on. Your lack of "Assumptions" is based on the fact that you are leveraging the lessons of those that have been doing FI for years... those Assumptions that all those more experienced (and less condescending) individuals made for you... and proved them... or learned from them.
So get off your high horse because you are so good at asking other people what they would do... and don’t talk down to those that have been through several FI setups and tried to contribute to the community...
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Woah man... you have the internet ricer setting on 11 brother.. slow your roll.
I wasnt bashing you or even questioning you until you came out with your condescending reply. My STS experience was my first FI experience... I obviously wouldn’t do it twice with the same goals in mind. I will say that I was the first to ever push an STS kit to that level... and would of had some solid 10's in that setup but due to my own mistakes I blew the bottom end.
Now I have spent alot of money.. more then I care to admit. But that is what happens when you want to break the mold in the FI world... I wanted to do something different. You can feel free to stand on the shoulders of those of us that try different things... but remember who's shoulders you are standing on. Your lack of "Assumptions" is based on the fact that you are leveraging the lessons of those that have been doing FI for years... those Assumptions that all those more experienced (and less condescending) individuals made for you... and proved them... or learned from them.
So get off your high horse because you are so good at asking other people what they would do... and don’t talk down to those that have been through several FI setups and tried to contribute to the community...
I wasnt bashing you or even questioning you until you came out with your condescending reply. My STS experience was my first FI experience... I obviously wouldn’t do it twice with the same goals in mind. I will say that I was the first to ever push an STS kit to that level... and would of had some solid 10's in that setup but due to my own mistakes I blew the bottom end.
Now I have spent alot of money.. more then I care to admit. But that is what happens when you want to break the mold in the FI world... I wanted to do something different. You can feel free to stand on the shoulders of those of us that try different things... but remember who's shoulders you are standing on. Your lack of "Assumptions" is based on the fact that you are leveraging the lessons of those that have been doing FI for years... those Assumptions that all those more experienced (and less condescending) individuals made for you... and proved them... or learned from them.
So get off your high horse because you are so good at asking other people what they would do... and don’t talk down to those that have been through several FI setups and tried to contribute to the community...
As far as internet ricer, I run my car more than I run my mouth... and I run my mouth quite a bit. So if youre looking for an internet racer, youve come to the wrong place.
In any event, no need to go down the bickering road, looks like it was a misunderstanding.
Good luck with your new build. Steven and them over at LMR will give you something nasty Im sure.
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Verdad Gallardo No worries... I meant my first post... nothing condescending there. I gave up my 6-speed for my TH400 because of the tons of suggestions from folks I really respect in the racing world... one of the hardest things I did (loved my 6-speed). But I was told... getting into the 76+ sized turbos... gotta have an auto to see the good speed. You are going with a 10mm larger turbo then me and keeping your gear slammer... I hope you prove them wrong.
As for racing... We may still be able to make a race happen before the end of the year. I would come up there to defend my "butt mount" pride... and if you are not running NOS on the bottom end... I think my setup could take yours
Steve and Josh will turn me out a good car I have no doubt... hoping their shop isnt swimming after the hurricane.
As for racing... We may still be able to make a race happen before the end of the year. I would come up there to defend my "butt mount" pride... and if you are not running NOS on the bottom end... I think my setup could take yours
Steve and Josh will turn me out a good car I have no doubt... hoping their shop isnt swimming after the hurricane.
No worries... I meant my first post... nothing condescending there. I gave up my 6-speed for my TH400 because of the tons of suggestions from folks I really respect in the racing world... one of the hardest things I did (loved my 6-speed). But I was told... getting into the 76+ sized turbos... gotta have an auto to see the good speed. You are going with a 10mm larger turbo then me and keeping your gear slammer... I hope you prove them wrong.
As for racing... We may still be able to make a race happen before the end of the year. I would come up there to defend my "butt mount" pride... and if you are not running NOS on the bottom end... I think my setup could take yours
Steve and Josh will turn me out a good car I have no doubt... hoping their shop isnt swimming after the hurricane.
As for racing... We may still be able to make a race happen before the end of the year. I would come up there to defend my "butt mount" pride... and if you are not running NOS on the bottom end... I think my setup could take yours
Steve and Josh will turn me out a good car I have no doubt... hoping their shop isnt swimming after the hurricane.
98MM on a 6spd?
Take me down to boost lag city
where the spool time is long and response is shitty,
ohhh won't you please take so loooong! yeaaah!
Ok, on a more serious note I don't think it's going to be a very fun car to drive, but anything will spool with enough RPM. If you are going to drag race it you can always build boost with a 2 step / retard. I could see this being fun on the street but not with a 6 speed. If you are after 1700 HP though, this is the turbo you need.
Why not go to an 88mm with the 6spd? Will be much more fun to drive due to having a more useable power band?
Take me down to boost lag city
where the spool time is long and response is shitty,
ohhh won't you please take so loooong! yeaaah!
Ok, on a more serious note I don't think it's going to be a very fun car to drive, but anything will spool with enough RPM. If you are going to drag race it you can always build boost with a 2 step / retard. I could see this being fun on the street but not with a 6 speed. If you are after 1700 HP though, this is the turbo you need.
Why not go to an 88mm with the 6spd? Will be much more fun to drive due to having a more useable power band?
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Not to take anything away from the auto cars, as they are almost always faster, hands down. And impressive in their own right. I just didnt want an auto car. (as i mentione dI had a th400 but I sold it to go back to a six speed) I want to go play with the TT vipers and Busas on the highway, and maybe click off a track pass or two every once in awhile.
As far as the guy who suggested the spool time, Ill have a two step and all that jazz courtesy of the BS3. Spooling the car from a dig isnt going to be a problem.
As far as if your car would beat mine or not is irrelevant, as:
A. I doubt we will ever see each other unless you make it to Memphis.
B. Neither of our cars run right now LOL
If I had to guess purely on what I know now, you wouldnt have much of an issue taking me down at the track depending on the weight of your car, and Id give it to you pretty handily from a highway roll on.
As I said, just friendly speculation. Im just glad to see another turbo F-body street car rolling around. If you do go to Memphis without your car anyway, come by the big RPM Motorsports trailer/rig and say hello. Ill be over there.
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LOL i love how people want to hate on others ride out of either pure jealousey or just to be ***. I love the build up, exp with the t56. The cars going to roll hard and thats all that matters, Good luck in the rest of your build and ill see it running soon. Never look back on what you did, just look at how you can improve what you did... IMHO dose spool time meen everything? Yea maybe if your looking for a 8 sec 1/4 mile in a p/g but ****...ITS A FUN CAR!! 
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It took longer at the body shop getting the fenders rolled than expected, so unless we really bust *** this coming week, were a no go. Even then, I wouldnt have really any break in period.
Im pretty disappointed, but I cant say I am surprised....
It doesnt look like mine will be making it to memphis
It took longer at the body shop getting the fenders rolled than expected, so unless we really bust *** this coming week, were a no go. Even then, I wouldnt have really any break in period.
Im pretty disappointed, but I cant say I am surprised....
It took longer at the body shop getting the fenders rolled than expected, so unless we really bust *** this coming week, were a no go. Even then, I wouldnt have really any break in period.
Im pretty disappointed, but I cant say I am surprised....