500rwhp guys what kinda times ya turning?
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I just spent my first day at the track.
12.5 @ 116 - It was 100F and I can't launch the car to save my life.
Give me a 60F day and some experience, and it WILL run 11s.
On a side note, my IATs were ~135F at launch and ~ 105F at trap.
12.5 @ 116 - It was 100F and I can't launch the car to save my life.
Give me a 60F day and some experience, and it WILL run 11s.
On a side note, my IATs were ~135F at launch and ~ 105F at trap.
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Why is it that SC and turbo F-bodies seem to only run mid-high 11s@120-125(average) with 500rwhp yet head/cam/intake cars usually run high 11s at 116-119mph with 70-80 less HP? Is it just due to the setup or the fact that the power is high up in the rpms from the centrifugal type blower and doesn't knock off a lot of ET?? Or is it just too hard to get them to hook up? Just trying to figure out the formula.....
For instance when my TA(M6) was stock with a lid/borla and 150 shot it went 11.55@121 with a 1.78 60', never dynoed that setup but it couldn't have been more then 450rwhp yet still trapping 121+ at 3800lbs. Then my last trip to the strip it was trapping 124mph on the limiter for the last 200'(4.10 gears) at 540hp and I figure with 3.70s it will trap 127-128 or so and I figured HP is HP so why shouldn't they all be trapping close to the same?
I guess I am worried that if I switch to a D1sc(for the tune of $8k) and make say 530-550rwhp, its not going to trap or run as well as my 150hp shot in my heavy a$$ car.
For instance when my TA(M6) was stock with a lid/borla and 150 shot it went 11.55@121 with a 1.78 60', never dynoed that setup but it couldn't have been more then 450rwhp yet still trapping 121+ at 3800lbs. Then my last trip to the strip it was trapping 124mph on the limiter for the last 200'(4.10 gears) at 540hp and I figure with 3.70s it will trap 127-128 or so and I figured HP is HP so why shouldn't they all be trapping close to the same?
I guess I am worried that if I switch to a D1sc(for the tune of $8k) and make say 530-550rwhp, its not going to trap or run as well as my 150hp shot in my heavy a$$ car.
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this is exactly what i was thinking! it seems h/c w/ nitrous are faster. i believe it does have a lot to do with more power under the curve. but still the traps don't seem right.
that guy that posted earlier in this thread with the vette trapping 130mph with 500whp sounds right on par.
that guy that posted earlier in this thread with the vette trapping 130mph with 500whp sounds right on par.
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this is exactly what i was thinking! it seems h/c w/ nitrous are faster. i believe it does have a lot to do with more power under the curve. but still the traps don't seem right.
that guy that posted earlier in this thread with the vette trapping 130mph with 500whp sounds right on par.
that guy that posted earlier in this thread with the vette trapping 130mph with 500whp sounds right on par.
I mean I am not bashing or trying to start a feud or anything, just trying to figure this out because I really want to switch to a D1sc setup on my cam only motor but I don't want to spend $8k for a setup that runs slower then my nitrous setup. I would like to have the 530-550rwhp all the time(without bottle refills), thats why I want to go blower but if I a gonna only trap 120-123 with my 550 blown HP yet I trap 125-128 with my 550 nitrous HP, I think I will stick with what I got and save the $8k, or maybe just buy the heads/intake etc.
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Why is it that SC and turbo F-bodies seem to only run mid-high 11s@120-125(average) with 500rwhp yet head/cam/intake cars usually run high 11s at 116-119mph with 70-80 less HP? Is it just due to the setup or the fact that the power is high up in the rpms from the centrifugal type blower and doesn't knock off a lot of ET?? Or is it just too hard to get them to hook up? Just trying to figure out the formula.....
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Why is it that SC and turbo F-bodies seem to only run mid-high 11s@120-125(average) with 500rwhp yet head/cam/intake cars usually run high 11s at 116-119mph with 70-80 less HP? Is it just due to the setup or the fact that the power is high up in the rpms from the centrifugal type blower and doesn't knock off a lot of ET?? Or is it just too hard to get them to hook up? Just trying to figure out the formula.....
For instance when my TA(M6) was stock with a lid/borla and 150 shot it went 11.55@121 with a 1.78 60', never dynoed that setup but it couldn't have been more then 450rwhp yet still trapping 121+ at 3800lbs. Then my last trip to the strip it was trapping 124mph on the limiter for the last 200'(4.10 gears) at 540hp and I figure with 3.70s it will trap 127-128 or so and I figured HP is HP so why shouldn't they all be trapping close to the same?
I guess I am worried that if I switch to a D1sc(for the tune of $8k) and make say 530-550rwhp, its not going to trap or run as well as my 150hp shot in my heavy a$$ car.
For instance when my TA(M6) was stock with a lid/borla and 150 shot it went 11.55@121 with a 1.78 60', never dynoed that setup but it couldn't have been more then 450rwhp yet still trapping 121+ at 3800lbs. Then my last trip to the strip it was trapping 124mph on the limiter for the last 200'(4.10 gears) at 540hp and I figure with 3.70s it will trap 127-128 or so and I figured HP is HP so why shouldn't they all be trapping close to the same?
I guess I am worried that if I switch to a D1sc(for the tune of $8k) and make say 530-550rwhp, its not going to trap or run as well as my 150hp shot in my heavy a$$ car.
I'm not going to answer for everyone but I have a very good reason for my setup being 11.6 @126. First a nitrous car which i switched from hits hard from the get go. your 60ft times will be quicker and over all speed traps down. on my turbo set up I need to set the car up to launch in boost to get the same 60ft times the nitrous gave me. then the car would show its potential low 11 high 10 capability. most N/A engs repond very quickly and get out of the hole quick, the turbos and SC sweet spot is takes slighly more time to come in. Hell maybe I should spray a littel nitrous out the hole >
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I'm not going to answer for everyone but I have a very good reason for my setup being 11.6 @126. First a nitrous car which i switched from hits hard from the get go. your 60ft times will be quicker and over all speed traps down. on my turbo set up I need to set the car up to launch in boost to get the same 60ft times the nitrous gave me. then the car would show its potential low 11 high 10 capability. most N/A engs repond very quickly and get out of the hole quick, the turbos and SC sweet spot is takes slighly more time to come in. Hell maybe I should spray a littel nitrous out the hole >
I understand about the crappy 60's and 330's killing the mph, hell my car on motor has shitty mph(114) because my 60's, 330's and 1/8s are so bad....Hell my 1/8s are only 87-88 mph because I could never launch it good with the stock 10 bolt and a motor with no bottom end tq. Now I have a 9" w/3.70s on the way so I can launch it hard and not top out 4th gear at 124mph(like I did w/ 4.10s).
All I know is I will be pissed if I switch to a D1sc and ET/trap less then I do with my NX150 kit even though the rwhp would be very close.
For some reason it seems that H/C/I/N2O is quicker on these full weight, M6 cars then a blower setup making the same power. At least thats what the search feature is telling me. I will be watching this thread and seeing what ETs and MPHs get posted up for the 500-550rwhp range......
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I can tell you the reason for our (Me and Sideways240sx) times being not being great, or on par for 500whp. Big one is no power down low, and the car bogging off the line to that no power area before the turbo spools. One of the downsides of being M6 with a slightly to large turbo I guess.
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10.08/133.8 - It made 505rwhp thru M6 & 4.10 9". It's now TH400 & 3.50 9" with some minor tuning improvements since. Stock long block, mild cam & D1SC at 7psi. Race weight about 3600.
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my guess is different tracks, different days. to accurately compare you got to line them up and go........
its also more than hp, its who got rid of some weight, who's thumped 144 db's in sound equippment, who ran once or twice and got kicked off for no cage, slipping clutches... lots of variables.
its also more than hp, its who got rid of some weight, who's thumped 144 db's in sound equippment, who ran once or twice and got kicked off for no cage, slipping clutches... lots of variables.
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For my part, it was a hot day, I suck, and my shifter was all screwed up. I didn't hit third properly all day and still trapped 120mph. Gimme a little while to learn how to drive, and then we'll really see what the car can do.
For a little perspective, my cousin has a H/C/I 02 Camaro SS that he ran that day. He was faster out of the hole, but I was "just" able to drive around him every time, even missing third. As we both learn how to drive, and the weather cools down, I think our little rivalry is gonna get interesting!
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Ran 11.7 @ 123 with a 1.93 60' on BFG KD street tires and a suspension setup for handling. This was in high humidity in 90+ degree Texas heat. With proper suspension and tires this could be a 10 second car, but I like the handling too much. I'll get some drag radials on there at some point and that should get me into the low 11's.
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I got 500 less lbs, Vastly Superior hand and feet coordination, better tires and a little less power . Its gonna be a good race.