Extremely Bad Night
Who The *** do you think you are to tell me I can read or not but dont post in MY THREAD?
I think you are confused I started this thread not ts6 and I'm not a moderator so I cant just delete a thread whenever I want.
This thread was started to tell a story about the worst night I've had at the track then it morphed into a maggie slam fest, Which was not my intention.
To all who dont understand I like my maggie I will be keeping the 112 as I believe it was a total freak thing that happened. I have no ill will towards magnusson and the fact they are repairing everything at their cost says a lot to me.
Most companies, If you race it you own it, No warranty. Maggie has stepped up and said even though I didn't purchase it they will still take care of the damage for me.
Doug
And yes, I know you started the thread. I clicked on your "worst day at the track" link in your signature somewhere else on the forum, page one with you're username at the top. It's not hard to tell who started a thread, I know of numerous ways to do that. You don't need to be a detective. I do have over 1000 post here if you can see that and have become quite familiar with LS1tech.com over the past 5 years. I can else see that you're not a moderator as well and know what priveleges users have. It's not the thread I'm referring to, I was curious to why you have a link to this particular thread in your signature still.
And whether you like the blower or not, that's fine, I don't care, you're free to mod as you wish as is everyone else, and yes again, I understand your IC is getting replaced, you've stated it many times in the thread already.
I'm not bashing your setup, TS6 was doing the magnusson bashing.
Since I have the same setup, I'm mostly concerned with doing what I can to ensure mine doesn't fail.
And you need to stop taking things out of context.
I WAS contemplating, and did make a large purchase, on the same blower no less, didn't faze me at all. Just seems like a crappy thing to do to a business, considering the problem was never even pinpointed, could have been operator error for all anyone knows, that still hasn't been ruled out other than just what people have posted.
Geez, let's hope for the sake of Procharger that you don't have a problem with your setup. You'll let everyone and their mother know. "Procharger you blew up my engine! Procharger blew my engine! You guys better give me some money!" Whah wah wah.
And that post didn't appear to be a problem, just a minor thing that happens with any install of this size, big deal? Should an air to water intercooler setup not be bled? Sounds normal to me. You mean a new FI setup will fire up the first time without a hitch?
Maybe you should visit some other forums with Maggie users, they're out there, nothing but good things to say about it on the GTO forums. Thousands of miles, lots of boost, and good power and no issues.
To sit there and say, oh the problem has been fixed and they're taking care of it, thanks for all the comments but they're really not necessary, I'm just gonna rebuild the engine. And then to leave the link up? You can see the hypocrisy in that can't you?
Kid, I've forgotten more about this **** than you'll probably ever know.
Theres a huge difference in something like an axle, tranmission, etc breaking while racing and a ******* intercooler failing while parked. Obviously racing is hard on ****, and FI is hard on parts as well. Breaking **** is part of racing, end of story. This ic didn't fail due to race abuse, it failed because it was faulty. Case closed. Why can't you get that? The OP also broke a wheel. Did you see me say anything about that? No. Why? Because ******* Bogart says NOT TO USE THEM ON THE STREET. He did, they broke, it sucks, but they covered their asses.
And yes, IMO, people need to know that some power adders can have more possible problems than others. I didn't say "OMG, boost is dangerous so don't buy a maggie". I'm not ******* new to this **** kid, read what I post and don't put words in my mouth.
I would never blame procharger for blowing my engine because theres really no way that can happen, short of a tuning error that would obviously not be ATI's fault. Thats one reason I went procharger. Separate oiling, no ic issues, etc.
And yes, I know you started the thread. I clicked on your "worst day at the track" link in your signature somewhere else on the forum, page one with you're username at the top. It's not hard to tell who started a thread, I know of numerous ways to do that. You don't need to be a detective. I do have over 1000 post here if you can see that and have become quite familiar with LS1tech.com over the past 5 years. I can else see that you're not a moderator as well and know what priveleges users have. It's not the thread I'm referring to, I was curious to why you have a link to this particular thread in your signature still.
And whether you like the blower or not, that's fine, I don't care, you're free to mod as you wish as is everyone else, and yes again, I understand your IC is getting replaced, you've stated it many times in the thread already.
I'm not bashing your setup, TS6 was doing the magnusson bashing.
Since I have the same setup, I'm mostly concerned with doing what I can to ensure mine doesn't fail.
And you need to stop taking things out of context.
Man, are you getting a discount for swingin' on Magnachargers nuts?
So, lets think outside of your little world there:
Lets say you buy a magancharger, as you plan to. You have it installed by a certified dealer, follow all instructions and do everything as you shoud per the manufacturer, and 1500 miles later the intercooler fails and grenades your motor. You don't think they should compensate you?
If you can honestly say that you would happily just say "Oh well, **** happens" and fork over thousands of dollars to repair someone elses negligence then I have some lakefront property I would love to sell you. Theres no lake, but hell, theres no property either, but I doubt you'll mind. Besides, its your problem once you pay me.
Theres a huge difference in something like an axle, tranmission, etc breaking while racing and a ******* intercooler failing while parked. Obviously racing is hard on ****, and FI is hard on parts as well. Breaking **** is part of racing, end of story. This ic didn't fail due to race abuse, it failed because it was faulty. Case closed. Why can't you get that? The OP also broke a wheel. Did you see me say anything about that? No. Why? Because ******* Bogart says NOT TO USE THEM ON THE STREET. He did, they broke, it sucks, but they covered their asses.
And yes, IMO, people need to know that some power adders can have more possible problems than others. I didn't say "OMG, boost is dangerous so don't buy a maggie". I'm not ******* new to this **** kid, read what I post and don't put words in my mouth.
I would never blame procharger for blowing my engine because theres really no way that can happen, short of a tuning error that would obviously not be ATI's fault. Thats one reason I went procharger. Separate oiling, no ic issues, etc.
Parts break, yeah, at least we see eye to eye on that.
Why do you still have the link for this thread in your signature anyway?
This thread is not here for you to start another discussion about problems w/ maggies I posted to discuss my bad luck.
Now I aparently have worse luck since you are here to take over my thread because you have more posts and more time here then I do..
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Doug
So, lets think outside of your little world there:
Lets say you buy a magancharger, as you plan to. You have it installed by a certified dealer, follow all instructions and do everything as you shoud per the manufacturer, and 1500 miles later the intercooler fails and grenades your motor. You don't think they should compensate you?
If you can honestly say that you would happily just say "Oh well, **** happens" and fork over thousands of dollars to repair someone elses negligence then I have some lakefront property I would love to sell you. Theres no lake, but hell, theres no property either, but I doubt you'll mind. Besides, its your problem once you pay me.
Well, we can go even further and think out of another world...
Would you say it's possible that someone, and no one in particular (and I'm not saying this is happening here, but anything is possible and I'm throwing it out there) would completely twist a story and publicly bash a manufacturer in order to get some money for something that may have totally been their fault? People have done worse things.
You say how experienced you are in auto tech, and I have no doubt, but you can't explain how this happened. Neither can the owner or anyone else on the forum, not even Magnusson, or Ed, with 12 years of experience with LPE and fabricator of the kit.
Is this some crazy **** taking magnusson phenomenon or something? Or is there something everyone is overlooking or something was just left out? I'm not swinging on their nutz as you so eloquently put it, but I do have this setup and this worries me a little bit honestly as anyone else who has a procharger issue would worry you and the same thing possible happening to you. As you said, people should know. I read product reviews before I buy just about anything. Maybe there's a detail that the owner didn't mention. Maybe we shouldn't take the original post so literal and just point fingers at manufacturers right away?
If that happened to me, really, I would probably explore my options just as he did, it never hurts to ask.
BTW, you drive a 9 year old trans am. Lots of kids drive cars like that. Hell, I drove a 4 year old formula in HS. Less than 6 months out of HS I had the formula and a 5 year old mustang GT vert. It ain't like a Bentley there chief.
Parts break, of course, thats part of the high performance game. But when parts fail very early and due to someone elses lack of quality there should be compensation.
FWIW, just for reference, I asked my brother in law who happens to be a high dollar corporate attorney about this. He said with proper documentation (i.e., no evidence of mis-use or physical damage to the unit) the case would be an easy win. The downside is its such a small case that no good lawyer would want it and its probably not worth the time, unless you happen to have a lawyer friend or relative who could hook you up.
I guess Magnacharger is lucky the OP is being cool about this. At least they are taking care of the blower, better than a kick in the nuts I suppose.
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Well, we can go even further and think out of another world...
Would you say it's possible that someone, and no one in particular (and I'm not saying this is happening here, but anything is possible and I'm throwing it out there) would completely twist a story and publicly bash a manufacturer in order to get some money for something that may have totally been their fault? People have done worse things.
You say how experienced you are in auto tech, and I have no doubt, but you can't explain how this happened. Neither can the owner or anyone else on the forum, not even Magnusson, or Ed, with 12 years of experience with LPE and fabricator of the kit.
Is this some crazy **** taking magnusson phenomenon or something? Or is there something everyone is overlooking or something was just left out? I'm not swinging on their nutz as you so eloquently put it, but I do have this setup and this worries me a little bit honestly as anyone else who has a procharger issue would worry you and the same thing possible happening to you. As you said, people should know. I read product reviews before I buy just about anything. Maybe there's a detail that the owner didn't mention. Maybe we shouldn't take the original post so literal and just point fingers at manufacturers right away?
If that happened to me, really, I would probably explore my options just as he did, it never hurts to ask.
Had the OP made the thread with the intention of getting $$$ out of magnacharger for the motor then of course I would say theres a large possibility that he could be lying, I mean hell, I don't know the guy (no offense 98catfish). But he has been more than willing the whole time to pay for his own motor, so what gain would he make by lying? None.
Also, just because there doesn't seem to be direct cause for the failure (like a ******* space shuttle crashed into it) beyond being a faulty part does not release the manufacturer from liability. In fact, it makes them more liable. If it had obvious damage from mis-use or improper installation then this would be cut and dried in their favor.
Also, just because there doesn't seem to be direct cause for the failure (like a ******* space shuttle crashed into it) beyond being a faulty part does not release the manufacturer from liability. In fact, it makes them more liable. If it had obvious damage from mis-use or improper installation then this would be cut and dried in their favor.
Where does it end? Everyone takes SOME responsibility for what they do to their cars. My last motor failed from a faulty pile of **** STS return pump, I never thought ONCE about going after STS for a motor. Get over it dude, in this industry, this sport, this game we ALL take responsibility for what we do to our vehicles. I have been around a long time, and have seen it all. **** happens.
We support all of our customers above and beyond what we should do. The OP was VERY happy and thankful that we did what we did and understood why.
BTW, you drive a 9 year old trans am. Lots of kids drive cars like that. Hell, I drove a 4 year old formula in HS. Less than 6 months out of HS I had the formula and a 5 year old mustang GT vert. It ain't like a Bentley there chief.
Parts break, of course, thats part of the high performance game. But when parts fail very early and due to someone elses lack of quality there should be compensation.
FWIW, just for reference, I asked my brother in law who happens to be a high dollar corporate attorney about this. He said with proper documentation (i.e., no evidence of mis-use or physical damage to the unit) the case would be an easy win. The downside is its such a small case that no good lawyer would want it and its probably not worth the time, unless you happen to have a lawyer friend or relative who could hook you up.
I guess Magnacharger is lucky the OP is being cool about this. At least they are taking care of the blower, better than a kick in the nuts I suppose.
No, they're definitely not Bentley's, just as I don't know kids with 10,000 dollars to blow on an FI setup, I don't know kids who drive Bentley's either.
Maybe your parents just bought you whatever you wanted when you were young, I don't know. But you seem like you got some nice cars so good for you.
Like I posted earlier, he might be better just going to W2W and having a car built. It would be cheaper than trying to prove anything and get professional testimonials. Litigation is litigation no matter what the circumstances. If a guilty murderer walks, I'm sure it's possible that someone could have been court ordered to pay for his engine.
You are a "glass is half empty" kinda guy, aren't you?
I wouldn't consider getting to buy a new motor "lucky". Theres a big difference between what they "had" to do and what they "should" do.
If my glass is half empty because someone drank my **** then I'm pissed and want my other half.
I think further information on the reson for the failure would be very useful for the Maggie users.
I need to get on my soap box:
I want to make something perfectly clear since someone mentioned me indirectly. I am the previous owner, before anyone else blames or insinuates said owner "me," about what i did with this car, I highly suggest getting the straight facts and answers to those questions from me instead of insinuating that it was a previous problem I created or caused. I never used nitrous and for a Forum vender represenitive to state that it might have been something I previously done is complete horsehit especially without merit or fact to back it up. Assuming is confused with fact way too much on LS1tech.
I talked with Ed and Doug about this when it happened. We are not on bad terms in anyway. I am alittle fired up that people who know nothing about me or the build of this car to even think I had something to do with this. So please keep your assumption to yourself unless you have facts, at that time I would like to see them. I take those comments seriously especially when they base non-facts to my integrity as the seller.
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I need to get on my soap box:
I want to make something perfectly clear since someone mentioned me indirectly. I am the previous owner, before anyone else blames or insinuates said owner "me," about what i did with this car, I highly suggest getting the straight facts and answers to those questions from me instead of insinuating that it was a previous problem I created or caused. I never used nitrous and for a Forum vender represenitive to state that it might have been something I previously done is complete horsehit especially without merit or fact to back it up. Assuming is confused with fact way too much on LS1tech.
I talked with Ed and Doug about this when it happened. We are not on bad terms in anyway. I am alittle fired up that people who know nothing about me or the build of this car to even think I had something to do with this. So please keep your assumption to yourself unless you have facts, at that time I would like to see them. I take those comments seriously especially when they base non-facts to my integrity as the seller.
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FYI, although it is being covered under warranty, the chances of the previous owner not using coolant are pretty high. I have NEVER seen a core fail from normal use, the only cores I have seen fail were from expansion due to freezing.
That being said, yes it is being fixed......and that is the end of the story.
A good company would stand up and make it right. The cooler could be inspected and it would be VERY obvious if it had been exposed to corrosive materials or been frozen and busted. They sit here and brag about how they have thousands and thousands of these units in use with no failures (besides these) so clearly they can't be wrong. Anyone with a brain can tell you the more of an item you produce the more chance for defects. If they have 10,000 of these in use and 3 fail, thats an awesome (almost unbelievable) success rate. There are bound to be a few bad apples so to speak. It happens to everyone, the difference is a good company will compensate the victim and move on.
Heres an excellent business lesson for magnacharger. I hope they learn from it. This whole thread has been negative for them, which is bad for business (der). Had they just helped him with a shortblock or something the positive comments would do nothing but help.
So I deleted my post toward Blownchevy. But, that being said I want to make very clear that, this intercooler did not crack 2000 miles after i last touched it mechnically. I would seriously like to know HTF it could crack 8 months and 2000 miles after I had last touched it. Besides that cooler without coolant would expand very little with no coolant and be the same temp as the blower itself and I cannot see a crack happening. How many Cobra, Lightning, Corvette, GTO, trucks and other cars using Maggies using dry ice, ice water, nitrous, meth and alky mixes and from what I can never posted a failure in thier intercooler. Not to mention over spinnig and over boosting thier setups. Ford recalled thier 99-00 Lightnings due to a similar issue with thier Eaton blowers so I doubt seriously this is the only time. You owe me an appology. Blaming me for an issue that is highly unlikely is slander and completely false without merit.
Last edited by bd mnky; Jan 17, 2009 at 04:11 PM.






