Worlds First Butt Mount CTS-V
09-10-2008, 11:51 AM
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they upgraded the rear and trans in 06...
you can get 04-05's for high teens to high 20's depending on miles
and condition of vehical. 06-07 for high 20's to mid/high 30's..
great deal, for a car that retails for 54k...
and thank you for the comment.
09-10-2008, 11:54 AM
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Oh come on! Don't raise the price! I am poor!!! I am buying used clutch for crying out lout 
LOL j/k
Dude, turbo CTS-v would be awesome!
LOL j/kDude, turbo CTS-v would be awesome!
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09-10-2008, 12:01 PM
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lol @ fat bastard...
yeah, it's time to put one on the map for cadillac. im excited fo' sho'!
lets get it installed first, befor we start slamming
the unknown. as i cant defend what's not completed.
yeah, it's time to put one on the map for cadillac. im excited fo' sho'!
lets get it installed first, befor we start slamming
the unknown. as i cant defend what's not completed.
09-10-2008, 06:51 PM
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The only issue is that about 500-550 rwhp is about the point where you have to start looking at very expensive rear end upgrades for these cars, not to mention motor work. The last procharged cts-v coming out of EPP has a $7500 custom rear on it to hold the 700+ rwtq. The stock differential we have is the same that is on the 6 cylinder CTS - not capable of holding much more that 500-550 hp or tq at the wheels. That's why he's got 550rwhp as a max goal.
I agree on the fact that at least with EPP, you know you're getting a quality product and quality install. The problem is getting yourself to keep the boost down so you don't have to spend another $10k on other upgrades.
As with anything, the modding cycle never ends and there's always a weak link that could use some upgrading.
I agree on the fact that at least with EPP, you know you're getting a quality product and quality install. The problem is getting yourself to keep the boost down so you don't have to spend another $10k on other upgrades.
As with anything, the modding cycle never ends and there's always a weak link that could use some upgrading.
Ok thats fine but using the largest pulley is not in order for his power goals. And on top of that **** breaks all the time you cant escape it
. you can get 550 out a supercharger easy vs a butt mount. Consider this the lenth of the car vs all the bends vs heat. Now look at oiling the turbos and hot side exhaust size. Its way more to it then just hanging a turbo out back and hoping for the best.
09-10-2008, 07:03 PM
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this is more like a hair cut, there are a few people with that style
FI (hairdoo) allready,... the question here is, can i force enough air into my
motor to make nice gains(120/150rwhp over stock) under 3000 rpm till redline and have A+ fun factor?
i'm still debating to go with the gt60 (new with kit), or gt67 (low mile used)
this will be meth injected if i had'nt stated earlier.
FI (hairdoo) allready,... the question here is, can i force enough air into my
motor to make nice gains(120/150rwhp over stock) under 3000 rpm till redline and have A+ fun factor?
i'm still debating to go with the gt60 (new with kit), or gt67 (low mile used)
this will be meth injected if i had'nt stated earlier.
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09-10-2008, 07:37 PM
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[QUOTE=OHSIXCTSV;10078047]what was your experince? if you don't mind me asking???
He told me that he could tune my car, I had the sts kit. So I took the 6 hour drive there and then when I get there he dosnt even have the software to tune it. So he tells me to just leave the car there and he will get it tuned in a few weeks, what a joke.. So I decided to put it on the dyno anyway just to see how it would do even though he couldnt do anything with the tune. Come to find out I had a bad plug wire, so I said lets put a new set on, no problem he ordered the new ones, He said by the way his book says that its a 4 1/2 hour job plus the cost of the wires it will cost me $525. What a joke. I told him that I just want to take my car and go. He still charged me close to $500 for doing nothing. Be prepared to be ripped off !
He told me that he could tune my car, I had the sts kit. So I took the 6 hour drive there and then when I get there he dosnt even have the software to tune it. So he tells me to just leave the car there and he will get it tuned in a few weeks, what a joke.. So I decided to put it on the dyno anyway just to see how it would do even though he couldnt do anything with the tune. Come to find out I had a bad plug wire, so I said lets put a new set on, no problem he ordered the new ones, He said by the way his book says that its a 4 1/2 hour job plus the cost of the wires it will cost me $525. What a joke. I told him that I just want to take my car and go. He still charged me close to $500 for doing nothing. Be prepared to be ripped off !
09-10-2008, 07:40 PM
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this is more like a hair cut, there are a few people with that style
FI (hairdoo) allready,... the question here is, can i force enough air into my
motor to make nice gains(120/150rwhp over stock) under 3000 rpm till redline and have A+ fun factor?
i'm still debating to go with the gt60 (new with kit), or gt67 (low mile used)
this will be meth injected if i had'nt stated earlier.
FI (hairdoo) allready,... the question here is, can i force enough air into my
motor to make nice gains(120/150rwhp over stock) under 3000 rpm till redline and have A+ fun factor?
i'm still debating to go with the gt60 (new with kit), or gt67 (low mile used)
this will be meth injected if i had'nt stated earlier.
I think you will have problems with such a small turbo ,and to get the #'s you want you will be boosting the crap out of it . If you go with something .....lets say a TC 76 you will probably reach you goal with 8-10# instead of 12-15# with a turbo that is reaching its flow limit and creating more heat then boost . If you change the motor at all (ie. heads or cam ) your 60's mm turbos will become a restriction .
7K for a 60mm turbo kit is kind of high in my opinion
09-10-2008, 07:47 PM
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[QUOTE=crazycat;10084713] Sounds like I customer I had, went there for a tune after we installed a 408 in his gto . The bill was way higher then $500 over a grand for just the tune ,had a seperate charge for dyno time 
,and $175 to install plug wire boots
what was your experince? if you don't mind me asking???
He told me that he could tune my car, I had the sts kit. So I took the 6 hour drive there and then when I get there he dosnt even have the software to tune it. So he tells me to just leave the car there and he will get it tuned in a few weeks, what a joke.. So I decided to put it on the dyno anyway just to see how it would do even though he couldnt do anything with the tune. Come to find out I had a bad plug wire, so I said lets put a new set on, no problem he ordered the new ones, He said by the way his book says that its a 4 1/2 hour job plus the cost of the wires it will cost me $525. What a joke. I told him that I just want to take my car and go. He still charged me close to $500 for doing nothing. Be prepared to be ripped off !
He told me that he could tune my car, I had the sts kit. So I took the 6 hour drive there and then when I get there he dosnt even have the software to tune it. So he tells me to just leave the car there and he will get it tuned in a few weeks, what a joke.. So I decided to put it on the dyno anyway just to see how it would do even though he couldnt do anything with the tune. Come to find out I had a bad plug wire, so I said lets put a new set on, no problem he ordered the new ones, He said by the way his book says that its a 4 1/2 hour job plus the cost of the wires it will cost me $525. What a joke. I told him that I just want to take my car and go. He still charged me close to $500 for doing nothing. Be prepared to be ripped off !
,and $175 to install plug wire boots
09-10-2008, 11:37 PM
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dyno and tune time cost money. most tune shops charge 4-600 for a street scan and dyno tune, (plus save your stock tune)... if he had to trouble shoot a problem you had, and found it was a wire, maybe you feel slighted, do it being an inexpencive part, that seemed accessive to have pay for the trouble shooting time. doesnt mean it didnt take him 4 1/2 hrs to find the weak link. i know there are 2 sides to a story...if you said he took your money, and slapped on cheap/used parts i might side with you. but running a bizzy shop (which he has) trouble shooting some1 elses mistake ( the other tuner who mucked it up) isnt what he wants to do...most shops dont...
09-10-2008, 11:53 PM
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7K for a 60mm turbo kit is kind of high in my opinion
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methanol injection (Coolingmist/Mongillo). 50/50 mix.
larger injectors, (40-45 #)
35 or 38mm blow-off valve.
50mm wastegate.
STS oil pump returning to the oil pan. ( bung fitted in oil pan) not valve cover breather!
GT60. or GT67.
all custom pipe routing/modding ( there is no kit for a cts-v...this is a one off project)
you got to pay to play.
a maggie all said and done(with headers and exhaust) would be closer to 9 grand and make less power.
7-9 lbs of boost is our goal for 500/520 rwhp with no upgrades in mind
after the fact, i'm in this to beat euro cars in the 4 door segment,
ie: BMW M5 ( 85-94K), BENZ AMG'S FLOCK, BENTLY, AUDI, ECT, ECT,
i wont be at the drag strip racing 1/4...maybe, a road course next spring,
that's all the plans in a nutshell for this car. (stealth sleeper/caddy style)
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methanol injection (Coolingmist/Mongillo). 50/50 mix.
larger injectors, (40-45 #)
35 or 38mm blow-off valve.
50mm wastegate.
STS oil pump returning to the oil pan. ( bung fitted in oil pan) not valve cover breather!
GT60. or GT67.
all custom pipe routing/modding ( there is no kit for a cts-v...this is a one off project)
you got to pay to play.
a maggie all said and done(with headers and exhaust) would be closer to 9 grand and make less power.
7-9 lbs of boost is our goal for 500/520 rwhp with no upgrades in mind
after the fact, i'm in this to beat euro cars in the 4 door segment,
ie: BMW M5 ( 85-94K), BENZ AMG'S FLOCK, BENTLY, AUDI, ECT, ECT,
i wont be at the drag strip racing 1/4...maybe, a road course next spring,
that's all the plans in a nutshell for this car. (stealth sleeper/caddy style)
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09-11-2008, 10:49 AM
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what that includes is to early to tell.
(you are saying to use a stand alone oiling system)
all his sts oiling systems have been troulbe free do to
the way he understands the needs the systems have.(ie: restricting turbo feed lines and rerouting return lines to oil pan)
he still uses the stock sytem to run twins on his 1000hp
gto...he may consider a stad alone for his car, but my application
won't need it (overkill)
09-11-2008, 05:47 PM
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The turbos are actualy proably close in price for a few hundred I would go with the tc-76
a maggie all said and done(with headers and exhaust) would be closer to 9 grand and make less power. Who the f%^& buys a maggie you can get a procharger for $7k installed . I understand you want this to be unique ,so no need to argue that
7-9 lbs of boost is our goal for 500/520 rwhp with no upgrades in mind
after the fact .You wont see that much power form that little boost
a maggie all said and done(with headers and exhaust) would be closer to 9 grand and make less power. Who the f%^& buys a maggie you can get a procharger for $7k installed . I understand you want this to be unique ,so no need to argue that
7-9 lbs of boost is our goal for 500/520 rwhp with no upgrades in mind
after the fact .You wont see that much power form that little boost
09-11-2008, 07:52 PM
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The turbos are actualy proably close in price for a few hundred I would go with the tc-76
a maggie all said and done(with headers and exhaust) would be closer to 9 grand and make less power. Who the f%^& buys a maggie you can get a procharger for $7k installed . I understand you want this to be unique ,so no need to argue that
7-9 lbs of boost is our goal for 500/520 rwhp with no upgrades in mind
after the fact .You wont see that much power form that little boost
a maggie all said and done(with headers and exhaust) would be closer to 9 grand and make less power. Who the f%^& buys a maggie you can get a procharger for $7k installed . I understand you want this to be unique ,so no need to argue that
7-9 lbs of boost is our goal for 500/520 rwhp with no upgrades in mind
after the fact .You wont see that much power form that little boost
full exhaust for 7 grand??? this is a cadillac cts-v... it's far from anything you know about cameros and firebirds. (meaning the applications/mods)
also, with my butt mount gt60 i'll get that(480-500whp) at 8-9psi.
gt67 at 6psi. stock ls2 has high comp. out of the box...
this isnt a high boost race application, this is for streetability and
performance at a higher level...most of my "V" BRETHREN run maggies,
(with great success)
and a few have the prochrgr...no one has a turbo, and unless u know the
cts-v engine bay as well as i do...you arent getting a front mount in anytime soon, as the rear mount is much easier to play with, from an install pov.
09-11-2008, 08:33 PM
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Why wouldn't he expect 500RWHP on 9PSI?
I made 453RWHP/432RWTQ SAE at only 5PSI on my old STS setup. Each lb of boost in these cars is about 20-22HP. It's a totally realistic goal. 
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09-11-2008, 08:50 PM
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^ not a jab...just the layout in the engine bay is very close quarters
for any FI. thats why 95% of forced induction cts-v's are maggies
(roots/intake style) do to clearence issues. even the procchrgr has to
grind away at stock parts to make it fit.
for any FI. thats why 95% of forced induction cts-v's are maggies
(roots/intake style) do to clearence issues. even the procchrgr has to
grind away at stock parts to make it fit.
09-11-2008, 09:00 PM
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in hopes of it not being overkill. i have no knowlege
about the tc76 so i cant comment about it's performance
limits/restrictions. i just hope the housing is small enough
for you to fit it properly for your install. i would go small twins
if it were me. but i dont want 7-800 hp. the unviersal limit
for a dd is 550rwhp. which is over 600 to the motor. anything after
that u run the risk of chaising your own tail with mods to keep
it all working.
09-11-2008, 09:07 PM
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where can u get a procharger "INSTALLED" with tune and headers &
full exhaust for 7 grand??? I guess just let me know how much eddie actualy charges you
this is a cadillac cts-v... it's far from anything you know about cameros and firebirds. Let me fix that ......GTO and vettes , Your right I have no hands on experience with a CTS ,but I guess thats such a one of LSX platform id be stumped
also, with my butt mount gt60 i'll get that(480-500whp) at 8-9psi.
gt67 at 6psi. stock ls2 has high comp. out of the box...
How do you know . also Schantin your car was a 5.7 motor his motor flows much more and will shoot that small turbo right into a very unefficent territory on a compressor map . If you go with the 60 your turbo and motor will pump the same amount of air .
this isnt a high boost race application, this is for streetability and
performance at a higher level...most of my "V" BRETHREN run maggies,
(with great success)
I was just kinging about the maggies , I know they sold a lot
full exhaust for 7 grand??? I guess just let me know how much eddie actualy charges you
this is a cadillac cts-v... it's far from anything you know about cameros and firebirds. Let me fix that ......GTO and vettes , Your right I have no hands on experience with a CTS ,but I guess thats such a one of LSX platform id be stumped
also, with my butt mount gt60 i'll get that(480-500whp) at 8-9psi.
gt67 at 6psi. stock ls2 has high comp. out of the box...
How do you know . also Schantin your car was a 5.7 motor his motor flows much more and will shoot that small turbo right into a very unefficent territory on a compressor map . If you go with the 60 your turbo and motor will pump the same amount of air .
this isnt a high boost race application, this is for streetability and
performance at a higher level...most of my "V" BRETHREN run maggies,
(with great success)
I was just kinging about the maggies , I know they sold a lot
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