120's are done-need something bigger for a DD
03-22-2012, 09:30 AM
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My car unfortunately has a ways to go-but I'll be sure to post up the results.
03-22-2012, 08:08 PM
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Ok so who exactly is "Jon" that you are getting these from?
And how much are the 2000's?
I have ID 1000s and they are done for me already on E85 which surprises me.
Thanks
And how much are the 2000's?
I have ID 1000s and they are done for me already on E85 which surprises me.
Thanks
03-23-2012, 07:30 PM
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ion, he's a vendor here. 
Let's just say there's a reason...you get what you pay for. 
03-29-2012, 10:13 AM
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I have in the past, sir, but it mostly fell on deaf ears since most guys apparently couldn't care less about the quality/product, only that they save money. It's the same principle of K-mart or Harbor Freight. Is a Harbor Freight ratchet cheaper than a Snap-On or Mac tools? You bet your *** it is. Is it better? not really but damn if it isn't half the price. For some, the bottom line is they save money and they couldn't care less about the quality. One of the injector retailers has been directing their customers to their competitor's website for years when they asked for data on the injectors. This same retailer told other customers to "just use the stock data". LOL. I guess it doesn't really matter if the car runs and they "saved $1,000 on injectors"
03-29-2012, 10:16 AM
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there will be some data soon... thats all i have to say.
and I don't understand some of this, as data is presented from both of the vendors/sellers/distributors that I'm talking about
and I don't understand some of this, as data is presented from both of the vendors/sellers/distributors that I'm talking about
03-29-2012, 11:01 AM
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I have in the past, sir, but it mostly fell on deaf ears since most guys apparently couldn't care less about the quality/product, only that they save money. It's the same principle of K-mart or Harbor Freight. Is a Harbor Freight ratchet cheaper than a Snap-On or Mac tools? You bet your *** it is. Is it better? not really but damn if it isn't half the price. For some, the bottom line is they save money and they couldn't care less about the quality. One of the injector retailers has been directing their customers to their competitor's website for years when they asked for data on the injectors. This same retailer told other customers to "just use the stock data". LOL. I guess it doesn't really matter if the car runs and they "saved $1,000 on injectors"
for example can i buy injectors at fic for 1000 and send them to ID to have 1000 worth of valuable data collection and processing done to them.. and have some new level of performance attained?
or is it just that the physical changes to the injector make it improved over how the oem designed it? side note i ASSUME bosch has a fairly bright group of engineers so this is a confusing thought to me.
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in this world we all want a 'drop in' injector; the natural progression of injector technology would be specifically to have larger injectors flow BIG but otherwise act like small injectors, fast response and accurate low pulse flow, which would leave settings closer to 'stock' as a desired feature.
if someone handed me a set of huge injectors that will work, but you will need to go over these pages of data and crunch the numbers into your particular vehicles OS. in order to get them to work their best, well i would be less than enthusiastic about it, and actually find it to be something i would not pay EXTRA for.
on the other side hand me an injector that will work their best by only changing the flow rate.. well i will be first in line to pay extra.
that is just my soap box chat as i have no idea how hard or easy it is to set up either company's injectors with or without the supplied data.
how about i CHALLENGE both companies to a duel. send me 8 of your finest to compare head to head in my car. the winner gets the fame and my credit card info! WHO WILL WIN? the cheaper injector on value and basic function, or the big price tag with the ultimate in statistics and fueling precision
03-29-2012, 11:48 AM
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LOL the fact that one injector retailer still sells the Bosch 1600cc injector when ID already proved they are not reliable under heat and recalled EVERY 1600 ever sold is point in case enough. The people still selling them don't know enough about them, and have stated they have seen only "isolated cases" of flow rate changes. Perhaps the individual application has something to do with it (LS1 VS B18 VS 4G63, etc) in terms of injector placement but if ID took the time to research, then issue complete recall of ALL 1600cc injectors, that not only is a testament to their knowledge base but also to their uncompromising approach to customer service and to also ensure that they sell the best injector on the market.
ID proved that the 1600cc injector was not reliable enough for their customer base and issued a recall, other companies chose to continue to sell them as long as they make money which is the most important thing.
ID proved that the 1600cc injector was not reliable enough for their customer base and issued a recall, other companies chose to continue to sell them as long as they make money which is the most important thing.
03-29-2012, 12:29 PM
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Its not a moot point at all, because they had no idea there was an issue until ID recalled them. The fact remains that they do not have as much knowledge about these injectors as they claim they do. I think that they would continue to sell these injectors today, if ID had never found the problem first. This is based on the fact that they still sell these injectors, and recently had a group buy LOL. They are hardly steering customers away from them and if anything, trying to unload them onto customers.