PT4400 on daily driver...
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PT4400 on daily driver... Alright, I have a ST3500 now. Since a H/C/headers setup is going in next summer, I may want to upgrade the convertor. The gears are 3.23 right now, and I really don't want to change them until I get a 12 bolt. Will my gas mileage go down the tubes with a PT4400 compared to the ST3500? Do I really need gears for this one?
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<small>[ May 22, 2002, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: INSSANE ]</small>
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... Your gas mileage will get worse but you can always hook up a lock up switch and the gas mileage difference wont be as noticeable. With more slippage, you will get less gas mileage. The converter is reving higher to push the car compared to a stock converter or smaller converter where it doesnt rev as high...
Re: PT4400 on daily driver... I'd just let the PCM do all the locking up, if you lock it too early I know of one member who destroy one trans doing that. The biggest thing that would effect the"streetablility" in a daily driver is the exhaust system you are running at the time. When I had the completely stock exhaust on my car I'd drive it anywhere, once I went to long tubes, cats and an open y-pipe it got a little nerve racking once in a while due to being able to hear the extra rev's. After you get use to the increased stall you'll find ways to trick the PCM into locking the converter up. The few times I cared about gas mileage it came out to around 17mph with about 12 1/4 mile runs for that tank
All the "bad" things about this converter WILL be forgiven right after a WOT blast down a straight road
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All the "bad" things about this converter WILL be forgiven right after a WOT blast down a straight road
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... I drive mine every day with the TP4400. I had a ST3500 in the car before the 4400 and to tell you the truth there is not much difference in the 2 untill you put your foot on the floor. I think you will like the TP4400. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... What about traction at the strip and on the street? With 3.23s that is. I drive around on Nittos everyday and have BFGs for the strip. Assuming all suspension mods for traction are done, will I still have a hard time on the Nittos on the street? Keep in mind this is on a H/C car.
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... Unless your strictly concerned about "max" track performance, I think your INSANE for considering this on a daily-driver. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="gr_tounge.gif" /> j/k! Seriously though, the TP4400 is going to be LOOSE with 3.23's. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="gr_eek2.gif" /> And the exhaust note will be irratating with the very high rev's and your loud exhaust. It all depends on what you really want out of your car.
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... The 4400 is noticably looser than your ST 3500, but the gain is awesome. With 3.23s it is fairly easy to step into a hard launch on the street. I find it harder to launch on the street now that I have 3.73s.
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... It's definitely hard to hook up on the street w/ the 3.73's and PT4400. It hits HARD. It will definitely be pretty loose with 3.23's. Mine is tolerable with the 3.73's. The only time I really notice the converter is if it shifts into third and I'm going up an incline. Other than that, it's great. Ed Wright has my lockup at 30 MPH, and that helps out a LOT. The looseness of a converter is pretty subjective, but you'll be willing to put up with a lot after you stomp on it once. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" /> The converter hits hard and charges just as hard. My RPM's don't drop below 5,700 down the 1/4!
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... I love my PT 4400 and 4.11s on the street <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="gr_stretch.gif" />
I can easily light the tires in third at 80mph <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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I can easily light the tires in third at 80mph <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... I just bought a PT-4400 yesterday and will be swapping out my ST-3500 soon. Steve350 and Raughammer are friends of mine and they confirmed for me that there really isn't a huge difference between the two converters as far as normal street driving.
Re: PT4400 on daily driver... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by INSSANE:
<strong>My MAIN concern is WITHOUT a 3.73, (with 3.23) what wil my off the line traction be with Nitto DRs (315s)? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">On the street, nittos are fine. You can roast them now with your ST3500 if you just mash it. The 4400 isn't really any harder to launch.
At the track with nittos, you'll be leaving some of your 60' on the table unless your car is very lightweight. How much depends on how good a diver you are. I will say that I have not used the 315s. If they are much better than the 245s, then you may be fine.
The 4400 converter doesn't require any more suspension mods than you have now. I have just LCAs and plan to put a torque arm in at some point this summer.
<strong>My MAIN concern is WITHOUT a 3.73, (with 3.23) what wil my off the line traction be with Nitto DRs (315s)? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">On the street, nittos are fine. You can roast them now with your ST3500 if you just mash it. The 4400 isn't really any harder to launch.
At the track with nittos, you'll be leaving some of your 60' on the table unless your car is very lightweight. How much depends on how good a diver you are. I will say that I have not used the 315s. If they are much better than the 245s, then you may be fine.
The 4400 converter doesn't require any more suspension mods than you have now. I have just LCAs and plan to put a torque arm in at some point this summer.
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... I have the ST-3500, and as far as a Daily Driver this converter is perfect. I wouldn't really want to go any bigger just for the reason that the car has to be daily driven. Sometimes, when your in a hurry, or you just having a crappy day, having to give that car the extra revs off the line can just get old/tiring. Dont get me wrong i love this converter, but sometimes the 'loosness' of the converter just gets old.
Now when im with my friends and were cruising at certain nights, sure i wish i had the TP-4400 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
i dont think i could handle a 4000+ stall in an every day car. However from what i've seen, those converters hit the tires like a *****. Im sure you will love the performance gain you gain out of it. If it wasn't for that extra 'looseness' my car would have that TP-4400 stall <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
good luck with your decision...
Now when im with my friends and were cruising at certain nights, sure i wish i had the TP-4400 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="gr_grin.gif" />
i dont think i could handle a 4000+ stall in an every day car. However from what i've seen, those converters hit the tires like a *****. Im sure you will love the performance gain you gain out of it. If it wasn't for that extra 'looseness' my car would have that TP-4400 stall <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="gr_images/icons/wink.gif" />
good luck with your decision...
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... I will give you the low down tonight when I get mine put in and drive it around some. My car is a daily driver. I put around 500+ miles per week on my car. I will tell you I had Super Yank 3500 and I thought it was loose, but according to Mike he says the TP4400 isn't any worse than the SY3500. I was beginning to hate the SY it wouldn't get my car outta the whole. On the street it didn't hit the tires and slipped from a roll. I won't be getting on it for a few hundred miles due to breaking the tranny and converter both in, but I'll tell you what I think about driving it around.
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... Okay, cool. I have no suspension mods as of yet, but I am at least gonna do LCAs, sub frames, and a panhard bar for now. Sway bars and a torque arm aren't as important as of yet.
Will I be able to hook at the track with BFG drags? Assuming I have: 3.23s, LTs, the above suspension, and the TP4400??
Will I definitely NEED ET Streets when I add the H/C?
- Off the topic, but how much will I get out of a stock rear end on ET Streets?
Thanks a bunch - this is a very important decision and will affect alot of things if I do it. I appreciate the continual info!
Nick
Will I be able to hook at the track with BFG drags? Assuming I have: 3.23s, LTs, the above suspension, and the TP4400??
Will I definitely NEED ET Streets when I add the H/C?
- Off the topic, but how much will I get out of a stock rear end on ET Streets?
Thanks a bunch - this is a very important decision and will affect alot of things if I do it. I appreciate the continual info!
Nick
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... Does the weigh of the car have anything to do with how it performs???? My car is heavy and a tp4400 is in the future. Street driving isn't going to matter, b/c it's going to become a weekend driver in the next week or so anyway.
I am worried about it being TOO much converter for my car. Some of you guys have been successfull with this converter in bolt on cars right? I shouldn't have any problems should I??
The mods I have lined up are: 3.73's, hooker lt's w/ cat back and cut outs, K&N FIPK or lid and bellows(undecided), ported tb, FLP Level IV, maybe a z06 intake, plenty of suspension, weight reduction and I will add a cam later on(thats why I am thinking I might need to go with a big converter and not have to buy another one down the road) ( I have a programmer, and GMAF, and some free mods) LS1 Edit will also help me out with some codes and stuff.
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I am worried about it being TOO much converter for my car. Some of you guys have been successfull with this converter in bolt on cars right? I shouldn't have any problems should I??
The mods I have lined up are: 3.73's, hooker lt's w/ cat back and cut outs, K&N FIPK or lid and bellows(undecided), ported tb, FLP Level IV, maybe a z06 intake, plenty of suspension, weight reduction and I will add a cam later on(thats why I am thinking I might need to go with a big converter and not have to buy another one down the road) ( I have a programmer, and GMAF, and some free mods) LS1 Edit will also help me out with some codes and stuff.
Josh S.
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... Well sorry it took so long to reply, but Yank rebuilt my tranny, well I thought it was my tranny. The tranny I sent back had cooler fittings still attached, shift lever still attached, and the vacuum line still attached. Well what I got back was a bare tranny. I've tried reaching Yank for 2 days now to tell them that, but no one will call me back. I don't know what to do, this is starting to get irritating.
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by INSSANE:
<strong>Okay, cool. I have no suspension mods as of yet, but I am at least gonna do LCAs, sub frames, and a panhard bar for now. Sway bars and a torque arm aren't as important as of yet.
Will I be able to hook at the track with BFG drags? Assuming I have: 3.23s, LTs, the above suspension, and the TP4400??
Will I definitely NEED ET Streets when I add the H/C?
- Off the topic, but how much will I get out of a stock rear end on ET Streets?
Thanks a bunch - this is a very important decision and will affect alot of things if I do it. I appreciate the continual info!
Nick</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have the 4400/3.73 combo and I know there is no way I could hook on a drag radials. My car weighs 3270 with me. Unless the track is prepped well I am all over the place with the et streets. Its awesome how hard this things....if you can handle it. I'm installing hals this weeekend so maybe that will help some. Suspension is all stock.
btw...... buy a 4400 !!!!!!
<strong>Okay, cool. I have no suspension mods as of yet, but I am at least gonna do LCAs, sub frames, and a panhard bar for now. Sway bars and a torque arm aren't as important as of yet.
Will I be able to hook at the track with BFG drags? Assuming I have: 3.23s, LTs, the above suspension, and the TP4400??
Will I definitely NEED ET Streets when I add the H/C?
- Off the topic, but how much will I get out of a stock rear end on ET Streets?
Thanks a bunch - this is a very important decision and will affect alot of things if I do it. I appreciate the continual info!
Nick</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I have the 4400/3.73 combo and I know there is no way I could hook on a drag radials. My car weighs 3270 with me. Unless the track is prepped well I am all over the place with the et streets. Its awesome how hard this things....if you can handle it. I'm installing hals this weeekend so maybe that will help some. Suspension is all stock.
btw...... buy a 4400 !!!!!!
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Re: PT4400 on daily driver... My MAIN concern is WITHOUT a 3.73, (with 3.23) what wil my off the line traction be with Nitto DRs (315s)? What kind of suspension mods are we talking to keep it planted?
This is my MAIN question.
Nick
This is my MAIN question.
Nick