LS1 owners have anything to fear?
01-21-2009, 04:26 PM
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I'm sure New Edge GT's wont have a problem. It will probablyhang with or beat a SN95 GT. thats 94-98 GT's. The 05 GT is slightly slower then an LS1 so no its in no worrie.
01-21-2009, 05:00 PM
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Some V6's will run 12's and 13's stock, but not all. Sounds like the 370Z is a stout '6, whereas the Mustang V6 is probably in the 15's. So it varies, and it's hard to generalize.
Sure 10 years from now a new GM V6 might waste a 2002 Trans Am but so long as GM offers a V6 and V8 in a Camaro the V8 will be stronger... just how they approach the market.
Sure 10 years from now a new GM V6 might waste a 2002 Trans Am but so long as GM offers a V6 and V8 in a Camaro the V8 will be stronger... just how they approach the market.
One thing to consider on the small litre engines...
A 3.7L V6 might make 330hp but Nissan also put a lot of time and effort into the design getting out as much power as they could leaving the 'bolt on' life limited and aftermarket costly.
My LS1 was obviously no where near it's power limits which leaves my bolt on life very satisfying and aftermarket cheap.
So you might get a V6 out of the box that beats down an LS1 stock for stock but the aftermarket might be very limited. Each setup has pros and cons..honestly with how much time I put into modding my vehicle I would probably be pretty happy with a lot of power out of the box and not as much mod potential. To each their own in that department though.
01-21-2009, 06:30 PM
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x2..
One thing to consider on the small litre engines...
A 3.7L V6 might make 330hp but Nissan also put a lot of time and effort into the design getting out as much power as they could leaving the 'bolt on' life limited and aftermarket costly.
My LS1 was obviously no where near it's power limits which leaves my bolt on life very satisfying and aftermarket cheap.
So you might get a V6 out of the box that beats down an LS1 stock for stock but the aftermarket might be very limited. Each setup has pros and cons..honestly with how much time I put into modding my vehicle I would probably be pretty happy with a lot of power out of the box and not as much mod potential. To each their own in that department though.
One thing to consider on the small litre engines...
A 3.7L V6 might make 330hp but Nissan also put a lot of time and effort into the design getting out as much power as they could leaving the 'bolt on' life limited and aftermarket costly.
My LS1 was obviously no where near it's power limits which leaves my bolt on life very satisfying and aftermarket cheap.
So you might get a V6 out of the box that beats down an LS1 stock for stock but the aftermarket might be very limited. Each setup has pros and cons..honestly with how much time I put into modding my vehicle I would probably be pretty happy with a lot of power out of the box and not as much mod potential. To each their own in that department though.
01-23-2009, 02:35 PM
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Really??? WTF!!!
The v6 is lower than the ls1 for hp and even worse for stock! What are you thinking.
Although that strange z28/SS you have may be some different breed, not really sure as there is no such thang...
01-23-2009, 03:15 PM
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Who really cares about what a stock LS1 can do. How many of our cars are even stock? Mine lasted about one month before I started changing things. Technology advances over time, so I would hope that GM's (or insert any other car maker) sports car can out handle and out run a stock car which has a basic design that is OVER 10 years old.
If you want to keep up, start modding. Otherwise, go buy a new car.
If you want to keep up, start modding. Otherwise, go buy a new car.
01-23-2009, 03:17 PM
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Who really cares about what a stock LS1 can do. How many of our cars are even stock? Mine lasted about one month before I started changing things. Technology advances over time, so I would hope that GM's (or insert any other car maker) sports car can out handle and out run a stock car which has a basic design that is OVER 10 years old.
If you want to continue being top dog, start modding. Otherwise, go buy a new car.
If you want to continue being top dog, start modding. Otherwise, go buy a new car.
01-23-2009, 07:56 PM
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That's the one great thing about the ponycars hitting the dealerships these days......they are great out-of-the-box performance toys that offer a decent level of comfort/driveability/user-friendliness. Even if you never intend to tinker under the hood, they're a solid buy.....whether it's the Challenger, Camaro, or Mustang. All that, and they still don't really cost an arm and a leg (markups not withstanding).
01-31-2009, 08:13 AM
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LOL at people obsessing over HP numbers. The V6 will be a mid 14 second car, no way is it going to be touching an LS1 or Mustang GT. The SS is heavier than a GTO with a little more powa. I think a mild bolt-on LS1 f-body would stay with a stock 2010 SS IMO. Considering bone stock LS1s are pretty rare I wouldn't worry too much about them.
01-31-2009, 10:53 AM
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To all the people in this thread thinking 5th gen's aren't going to be modded: lol.
Keep in mind that the same people buying 5th gens are the one's that bought 4th gens and are here in this forum. For every modification you can do to your 4th gen, it can be done to the 5th gen. Sure it's a slightly heavier platform, but since you guys are obsessed with near stock numbers for some reason, the LS3 has TONS of potential.
The v6 is definitely going to be a stout little car. I know a couple of people with crazy 3.8's that would wax just about every car in this thread (don't believe me? go talk to usd2sing, he's a crazy old nitrous sniffing bastard), and they're excited to see the v6, because that's what they want to mod. The 3.6vvt is an awesome motor that the CTS guys are getting great numbers out of. The 3.8 is kind of an anchor of a motor, and we're seeing one in the 8's in the QUARTER MILE. The 3.6 is a FAR superior motor, so I believe we're going to see many, many faster v6 5th gens than v6 4th gens.
It's not the stock one's you're going to have to worry about, it's the modded ones. And since the v6 this time around is much more competitive, we're going to see more 'car guys' picking them up and modding them.
Keep in mind that the same people buying 5th gens are the one's that bought 4th gens and are here in this forum. For every modification you can do to your 4th gen, it can be done to the 5th gen. Sure it's a slightly heavier platform, but since you guys are obsessed with near stock numbers for some reason, the LS3 has TONS of potential.
The v6 is definitely going to be a stout little car. I know a couple of people with crazy 3.8's that would wax just about every car in this thread (don't believe me? go talk to usd2sing, he's a crazy old nitrous sniffing bastard), and they're excited to see the v6, because that's what they want to mod. The 3.6vvt is an awesome motor that the CTS guys are getting great numbers out of. The 3.8 is kind of an anchor of a motor, and we're seeing one in the 8's in the QUARTER MILE. The 3.6 is a FAR superior motor, so I believe we're going to see many, many faster v6 5th gens than v6 4th gens.
It's not the stock one's you're going to have to worry about, it's the modded ones. And since the v6 this time around is much more competitive, we're going to see more 'car guys' picking them up and modding them.
01-31-2009, 11:02 AM
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So what kind of improvements are the CTS guys seeing with that 3.6? I am curious........I just don't see it being the hotrodders' motor that the old 3.8 was. And I am using the term "hotrodders' motor" with regards to V6 motors.
02-01-2009, 06:12 AM
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To all the people in this thread thinking 5th gen's aren't going to be modded: lol.
Keep in mind that the same people buying 5th gens are the one's that bought 4th gens and are here in this forum. For every modification you can do to your 4th gen, it can be done to the 5th gen. Sure it's a slightly heavier platform, but since you guys are obsessed with near stock numbers for some reason, the LS3 has TONS of potential.
The v6 is definitely going to be a stout little car. I know a couple of people with crazy 3.8's that would wax just about every car in this thread (don't believe me? go talk to usd2sing, he's a crazy old nitrous sniffing bastard), and they're excited to see the v6, because that's what they want to mod. The 3.6vvt is an awesome motor that the CTS guys are getting great numbers out of. The 3.8 is kind of an anchor of a motor, and we're seeing one in the 8's in the QUARTER MILE. The 3.6 is a FAR superior motor, so I believe we're going to see many, many faster v6 5th gens than v6 4th gens.
It's not the stock one's you're going to have to worry about, it's the modded ones. And since the v6 this time around is much more competitive, we're going to see more 'car guys' picking them up and modding them.
Keep in mind that the same people buying 5th gens are the one's that bought 4th gens and are here in this forum. For every modification you can do to your 4th gen, it can be done to the 5th gen. Sure it's a slightly heavier platform, but since you guys are obsessed with near stock numbers for some reason, the LS3 has TONS of potential.
The v6 is definitely going to be a stout little car. I know a couple of people with crazy 3.8's that would wax just about every car in this thread (don't believe me? go talk to usd2sing, he's a crazy old nitrous sniffing bastard), and they're excited to see the v6, because that's what they want to mod. The 3.6vvt is an awesome motor that the CTS guys are getting great numbers out of. The 3.8 is kind of an anchor of a motor, and we're seeing one in the 8's in the QUARTER MILE. The 3.6 is a FAR superior motor, so I believe we're going to see many, many faster v6 5th gens than v6 4th gens.
It's not the stock one's you're going to have to worry about, it's the modded ones. And since the v6 this time around is much more competitive, we're going to see more 'car guys' picking them up and modding them.
).As for the V6 argument, ha ha ha. Sure they can be made fast, anything can be made fast if you put enough money into it. However, a 3900lb V6 is not a competitor for ANY LSX powered car, sorry. I don't care that it makes 300hp, to push that kind of weight it's going to need gobs of torque and a lot more power under the curve. Like I said we are talking about a mid 14 second car here.
Show me what kind of track times the V6 CTS cars are running, I would be curious to know. (Please don't post dyno sheets).
02-01-2009, 10:08 AM
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Who really cares about what a stock LS1 can do. How many of our cars are even stock? Mine lasted about one month before I started changing things. Technology advances over time, so I would hope that GM's (or insert any other car maker) sports car can out handle and out run a stock car which has a basic design that is OVER 10 years old.
If you want to keep up, start modding. Otherwise, go buy a new car.
If you want to keep up, start modding. Otherwise, go buy a new car.
02-01-2009, 07:25 PM
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like said before, the new direct injection v6's are making good power out of the displacement they have, but guess what. you might be lucky to pick up 20-30 horsepower for a few grand in bolt on mods. these motors are highly optimized from the factory.. we already saw this with the 350z, s2000, is-350. bolt ons just dont get much if any results. Look at the lexus is-350. Some people put aftermarket intakes on and LOSE power. Motors are going to be coming higher and higher optimized from the factory in the future. bolt ons are going to become very limited for these motors.
Now look at gm v8's. the ls1 started at 345 horsepower. Now the ls3 is at 430+ horsepower with only .5 more liters of displacement. Lets not also forget that the ls3 is probably near the same size and weighs probably the same or maybe less then most DOCH v6's. The LS3 has even more potential then an ls1 does because of the larger bore and better heads. A mild cam only ls3 is knocking on 500 horsepower no problem! what are you going to do to that v6 to make it faster? your only option is forced induction or nitrous. They are too damn technical to modify internally with heads and cams and you would have to rev it to 12,000 rpms to take advantage of any heads/cams, just like motorcycles. Not to mention the cost to build such an engine. so in the end if you need a turbo or nitrous to pick up a lot more horsepower then your car came with, who cares about efficiency? you can put nitrous or turbos on any engine. The LSx engines will never be seen as dogs, but as a motor that has a vast amount of untapped power from the factory. atleast thats how ill see it
Now look at gm v8's. the ls1 started at 345 horsepower. Now the ls3 is at 430+ horsepower with only .5 more liters of displacement. Lets not also forget that the ls3 is probably near the same size and weighs probably the same or maybe less then most DOCH v6's. The LS3 has even more potential then an ls1 does because of the larger bore and better heads. A mild cam only ls3 is knocking on 500 horsepower no problem! what are you going to do to that v6 to make it faster? your only option is forced induction or nitrous. They are too damn technical to modify internally with heads and cams and you would have to rev it to 12,000 rpms to take advantage of any heads/cams, just like motorcycles. Not to mention the cost to build such an engine. so in the end if you need a turbo or nitrous to pick up a lot more horsepower then your car came with, who cares about efficiency? you can put nitrous or turbos on any engine. The LSx engines will never be seen as dogs, but as a motor that has a vast amount of untapped power from the factory. atleast thats how ill see it
02-01-2009, 08:47 PM
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One other thing you guys forget, who we have in office and what that will mean to the upcoming cars. I think the v8 will be a turd in the near future because of fuel mileage and all the green crap.
02-10-2009, 09:51 PM
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Only read till page 3, but thought that I would add my experience.
I can't speak for stock cars, but with mods in my sig(just bolt ons) I rape the new v8 like it forgot to downshift.
I can't speak for stock cars, but with mods in my sig(just bolt ons) I rape the new v8 like it forgot to downshift.
