Originally Posted by Huggerorange73

This is hands down the most accurate post in this entire thread. Well said

How about a look at the two cars from a different angle?

Originally Posted by ULTIMATEORANGESS

im jealous of that collection.

Originally Posted by RPM WS6

It is an awesome pair, but I'm pretty sure he sold the '99 car (I considered buying it when it was for sale).

I've also seen pics of his previous '73 Hugger Orange Camaro. Imagine having all three in your collection at once.....I'd never be able to leave the garage.

Originally Posted by chaman

I love how there are some financial geniuses who reach the conclusion that if one find this car hideous, then one must be not able to buy it, and that explains the opinion said guy (me in this case) has. Wonderful.

With that kind of argument in favor of the 5th gen we have officially reached the lowest possible level of discussion and to me it only reinforces the opinion that most guys who have bought the 5th gen did so just to be riding the "flavor of the month" and will, undoubtedly, move on to the next one and so the cycle continues. Are these guys really car enthusiasts? Not in my book. These just get car to be seen in it. No real passion for cars at all, not to mention POOR knowledge of car's history.

I could buy one of these 5th gens, I just would never do it because it looks and feels like a bloated pig. Plain. And. Simple. Also I dont need to discuss my line of work with ANYONE here.

I hope that when the hype fades away the 5th gens fall finally into real car guys, not primadonas with a desperate need to be seen.

Yes, I have reached my own conclusions in the subject just like some magically knew my finances and how some posted opinions as facts WITHOUT citing their "sources", just something like "Ive read several books", quite precise, huh? Laughable at best.

Originally Posted by JHL88

its safe to say that im not most guys and i didn't buy mine to be an attention ***** or because that's what's hot. i bought it bc of the LS3, and if i didnt drive from SC to VA and back often, i wouldve gotten a LS3 vette. have you driven a new 5th gen? i can tell you that it handles 3x better than my 98 did. i do miss my 4th gen though.

Originally Posted by chaman

Yes Ive driven one, wait, make that two. I felt like I was in a can of tuna, almost claustrophobic. I dont know the exact dimensions but it felt much more cramped than my 4th gen. It was quieter (expected for a new car) and it handled better than a 4th gen (not mine since I have a few suspension mods). Power wise it felt slow, lets say slower than I expected. Outside visibility sucks, even compared with a 4th gen. Trunk space? If that slot in the back can be called a trunk well, minimal. It felt, bloated, big and cramped to summarize.

Relating to the "attention *****" comment, its obvious real car enthusiasts (probably like yourself) have been getting them, but sadly most have been bought by a lot of those "******". Some will drop the 5th gen to get their delicate asses into the 6th gen or any other popular car available at the time. Then they will keep babbling nonsense and pass opinions as facts and so the endless "***** parade" will keep going on.

Originally Posted by JHL88

just curious.. how many miles were on the 2 5th gens you drove? and im assuming you've driven an m6? i ask that bc in my honest opinion when i picked my car up from the dealership and i gunned it to see what it had, i was disappointed in comparison to my z, i gave it some time and as soon as i hit about 1500 miles it opened up quite a bit. Now i have 6k miles and its a completely different car as far as power goes. i/we can only hope GM evolves with this car like they did with the lt1's to the ls1's and ford with the 4.6 to the 4v 5.0. i think they have to. on another note, i think i could fit 2 dead bodies in my trunk lol. i do agree that the 5th gens are more appealing to the mainstream as opposed to the 4th gens where its sole purpose was to perform.

Originally Posted by chaman

Both were autos, both were RS/SS models. One was like 2,000 or 3,000, the other was aprox. 8,000. Both completely stock. Yes the more miles one felt stronger but still not as I expected.

Tw0 dead bodies? Rat bodies that is? LOL! Seriously it had a small trunk specially when you consider the overall car size.

Originally Posted by UltraZLS1

Really? The trunk opening is on the small side....but the trunk itself is gigantic. The rear seats also both fold down if thats not enough. Two people could just about sleep back their after that.

BTW... a lot of the L99's require a fuse pull due to dealers putting 87 in them. They will even stay in low octane mode after the correct gas is run. Plenty of people have reported L99 cars only putting down ~280 rwhp and running 14's due to this. A properly running L99 will hit 12's in good conditions and put down 320-340rwhp.

Originally Posted by UltraZLS1

BTW... a lot of the L99's require a fuse pull due to dealers putting 87 in them. They will even stay in low octane mode after the correct gas is run. Plenty of people have reported L99 cars only putting down ~280 rwhp and running 14's due to this. A properly running L99 will hit 12's in good conditions and put down 320-340rwhp.

Originally Posted by RPM WS6

Wow, I had no idea that the timing table would lock on low octane and stay there, even after a refuel.

So is this fuse trick the same deal as how we used to reset the SES light on 4th gens (pull PCM BAT & PCM IGN)? Can you just use a scanner and clear DTCs/MIL to achieve the same result?

Originally Posted by UltraZLS1

Here is a link to more info.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38964

It is such a widespread problem they made it a sticky at Camaro5.

Octane...one of the founding members of moderncamaro.com had a faulty L99 as well. His experience was well documented and he ended up getting some type of performance tune from GM still under warranty after it was said and done.

He was logging 6-7 second 0-60 times and could not get out of the 14's in the 1/4 mile with his car.

He ran a 12.8 after the tune.

Originally Posted by Dark SS

I too was really disappointed by the seat of the pants feel at first. I think it's the suspension and high belt line that make it feel slow. These cars wake up with more miles and minimal mods and my car has suprised the crap out of me at the track. Public opinion is pretty scewed because people like us are the minority and the middle aged "vette" guys that bought the flavor of the week are what most people see at test and tunes. I can't stand the dipshits on Camaro5 congratulating each other for running low 13's with full bolt-ons. But that has beome the norm as to what people think these cars and the owners are capable of and that is the one thing that really sucks about owning this car.

Originally Posted by RPM WS6

Thanks for the info.

I'm going to check out that link and start learning about this issue. If I ever buy a 5th gen, it will be an L99 (I'm all about the auto), so this is something that would concern me.

I don't think I've heard about the automatic LS3 Corvettes having this issue, so I'm guessing it has more to do with it being an L99 than an auto, correct? LOL.... maybe I should just read the link.