4th Gen vs. 5th Gen profile comparo. *pic*
09-25-2011, 11:27 AM
#301
IF there is one thing I have it's factual information.... I especially love how I had to tell fifth gen owners in here that your cars ARE more than 300 lbs heavier than 4th gens.... "only 4th gens have bad drivers" nope, it applies to 5th gens as well, keep putting words in my mouth though... And if you could read, you wouldnt have made that statement a couple posts back.
09-25-2011, 05:41 PM
#302
No you don't. You tried telling me that 5th gens don't mile per hour. You have been trying to say that 5th gens are slow and they can compete with a 4th gen yet you use apples to oranges comparisons. I don't think you even know how dumb you make yourself sound with you lack of 5th gen knowledge but you still try to put up a one sided argument and try to tell me I can't read. Lol, hilarious.
Go back to moderating chicago 5th gen, you obviously are better with a computer than you are in your knowledge of racing.....
PS, im a real dummy, I built an n/a 366 that picks up 31-32 mph on the back half... I know all about what a car that pulls up top is all about, you have no clue, im certain of that.
09-25-2011, 09:52 PM
#303
Just eat it already show me proof of your precious car MPH'ing better than a fourth gen, with similar mods...I went through the list, your bolt on cars average 111 mph, thats identical to a fourth gen. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about AT ALL with regards to racing, because hp/weight and gearing matter the most. There is no MAGICAL thing about ls3's in a 3900+ lb car that makes it mph any more than a fourth gen. You just dont seem to get performance wise, at least in a straight line, you are not superior...
Go back to moderating chicago 5th gen, you obviously are better with a computer than you are in your knowledge of racing.....
PS, im a real dummy, I built an n/a 366 that picks up 31-32 mph on the back half... I know all about what a car that pulls up top is all about, you have no clue, im certain of that.
Go back to moderating chicago 5th gen, you obviously are better with a computer than you are in your knowledge of racing.....
PS, im a real dummy, I built an n/a 366 that picks up 31-32 mph on the back half... I know all about what a car that pulls up top is all about, you have no clue, im certain of that.
09-25-2011, 10:45 PM
#304
i don't see how it's fair at all to compare a modded 4th gen to a modded 5th gen. the ls1 cars weren't near as fast so early in their lives as they are now. give the 5th gen cars 12 years to develop aftermarket parts, try setups, make and break parts etc and they will be quicker/faster. the ls3 is a monster. hands down, it will make power all over an ls1. the engine is more than capable of overcoming the weight in the 5th gen cars.
pull weight in those cars, replace the drivetrain with something that is 1/4 mile friendly and they will fly.
i personally do not like much of anything (other than the ls3) about the 5th gen cars, in all honesty i don't like the 4th gen cars that much, just the power parts. i do think the 4th gen cars (camaro and trans am alike) look better than the 5th gen.
pull weight in those cars, replace the drivetrain with something that is 1/4 mile friendly and they will fly.
i personally do not like much of anything (other than the ls3) about the 5th gen cars, in all honesty i don't like the 4th gen cars that much, just the power parts. i do think the 4th gen cars (camaro and trans am alike) look better than the 5th gen.
09-26-2011, 08:04 AM
#305
Oh, because you built a race car you knowledge of cars is far superior to mine. Stock LS3's trap about 110, where are your stock LS1's that do that?? The LS3 comes with 100 bhp more than any 4th gen produced, there's your "magical thing". That out weighs the 300 lbs. and there for will make for a better MPH. I don't know where your getting your facts but the bolt-on 5th gen fast list averages about 115mph, here's your facts http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52264 Now what "facts" are you going to pull out of your ***?
You cant seem to comprehend that its alot more than a 300 lb weight difference, are you dense?
09-26-2011, 12:03 PM
#307
Talking averages:
take the top 38 bolt-on 5th gens(from link above) and average the trap speed = 113mph, fastest=117mph
take the top 27 na internally modded 5th gens (from link above) and average trap speed = 117mph, fastest=121mph
take the top 50 bolt-on 4th gens(https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-raci...1-74-bump.html) and average trap speed = 116mph, Fastest=124mph
take the top 38 bolt-on 5th gens(from link above) and average the trap speed = 113mph, fastest=117mph
take the top 27 na internally modded 5th gens (from link above) and average trap speed = 117mph, fastest=121mph
take the top 50 bolt-on 4th gens(https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-raci...1-74-bump.html) and average trap speed = 116mph, Fastest=124mph
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09-26-2011, 01:21 PM
#308
Bolt-on 10.6 @ 122?? Isn't the bolt-on record for the LS1 a high 11? As stated above we're looking at 13 years of racing one car to 2 of another. If that is an actual bolt-on list then the slowest car out of 50 is an 11.7, I have never seen a bolt-on LS1 close to 11's. I've witnessed a bolt-on LS1 with a150 shot only trap a 117.
09-26-2011, 01:24 PM
#309
bolt-on is stock internal read the faq... and besides the fastest 5th gen internally modded list still dont mph as high as the fastest stock internal 4th gen. Lol just because you have not seen it does not mean it has not happened... The proof is in the pudding sir.
09-26-2011, 01:28 PM
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https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-raci...nly-times.html
Looks like different pudding.
09-26-2011, 01:29 PM
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I pulled the numbers from this section, timeslips/ boltons. I saw I/h/e cars, most trapping 110-112 with a few 114. A stock 4th gen no mods what so ever traps 108-109 in a six speed. I/h/e they trap 110-113 usually so thats close enough. Your not walking away from a fourth gen stock for stock unless its hurt.....
You cant seem to comprehend that its alot more than a 300 lb weight difference, are you dense?
You cant seem to comprehend that its alot more than a 300 lb weight difference, are you dense?
I get you don't like 5th's but harping on 400 punds and "they don't MPH on the big end" just proves you are the fanboi.
09-26-2011, 01:33 PM
#312
Explain this then.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-raci...nly-times.html
Looks like different pudding.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/drag-raci...nly-times.html
Looks like different pudding.
*Bolt on's ONLY. Stock internals motor, intake to oil pan, stock long block (as it came from GM). LS6/LSx style intake swaps allowed.
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09-26-2011, 01:38 PM
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I pulled the numbers from this section, timeslips/ boltons. I saw I/h/e cars, most trapping 110-112 with a few 114. A stock 4th gen no mods what so ever traps 108-109 in a six speed. I/h/e they trap 110-113 usually so thats close enough. Your not walking away from a fourth gen stock for stock unless its hurt.....
You cant seem to comprehend that its alot more than a 300 lb weight difference, are you dense?
You cant seem to comprehend that its alot more than a 300 lb weight difference, are you dense?
That is FUNNY **** man, were the hell do you race at! Stock 4th gens trapping 108-109
I have NEVER seen that happen in real life, more like 105-106! My car traps 112 with headers and a home made intake no tune, my brother still has his 2000 T/A auto, with headers, intake and a tune and there is NO match! My car walks his no problem, nore has ANY 4th gen take me on the street! Keep living in your magic 4th gen world, sorry but the only argument you can make is wieght, the new camaro romps all over the 4th gen in every other way... thats the only reason I got it! Hopfully they do make the car lighter with the new platform, but by that time it will be a new style body and smaller engine as well! Regardless of what the next platform is, the only way I am selling this car is for a ZL1 or Z06 and that wont be for a long time.
09-26-2011, 01:39 PM
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That is FUNNY **** man, were the hell do you race at! Stock 4th gens trapping 108-109 I have NEVER seen that happen in real life, more like 105-106! My car traps 112 with headers and a home made intake no tune, my brother still has his 2000 T/A auto, with headers, intake and a tune and there is NO match! My car walks his no problem, nore has ANY 4th gen take me on the street! Keep living in your magic 4th gen world, sorry but the only argument you can make is wieght, the new camaro romps all over the 4th gen in every other way... thats the only reason I got it! Hopfully they do make the car lighter with the new platform, but by that time it will be a new style body and smaller engine as well! Regardless of what the next platform is, the only way I am selling this car is for a ZL1 or Z06 and that wont be for a long time.
I have NEVER seen that happen in real life, more like 105-106! My car traps 112 with headers and a home made intake no tune, my brother still has his 2000 T/A auto, with headers, intake and a tune and there is NO match! My car walks his no problem, nore has ANY 4th gen take me on the street! Keep living in your magic 4th gen world, sorry but the only argument you can make is wieght, the new camaro romps all over the 4th gen in every other way... thats the only reason I got it! Hopfully they do make the car lighter with the new platform, but by that time it will be a new style body and smaller engine as well! Regardless of what the next platform is, the only way I am selling this car is for a ZL1 or Z06 and that wont be for a long time.
09-26-2011, 01:53 PM
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Really, lets see some slips or a vid. What was the DA on that one day and I am sure you have a tune as well. My car would have no problem hitting 115 with a tune and good air. Not taking anything away from your car, because thats pretty good but its not normal! 108-111 more like the norm for a bolt-on ls1 cars and you know it!
09-26-2011, 01:56 PM
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106 for a stocker is normal, if you think they trap 110 your high! For auto I see 103-104 all the time, you guys keep going of this fast list and thats a small handfull of how many 4th gens get raced every day! All I know is what I have seen at the track, I dont care what a list says!
09-26-2011, 02:36 PM
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Really, lets see some slips or a vid. What was the DA on that one day and I am sure you have a tune as well. My car would have no problem hitting 115 with a tune and good air. Not taking anything away from your car, because thats pretty good but its not normal! 108-111 more like the norm for a bolt-on ls1 cars and you know it!
09-26-2011, 02:46 PM
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Guys we can argue about this **** all day long, in the end arnt we all real camaro guys! Fact is I love 4th gens, I loved both of mine and I love this car too, hell I loved the 3rd gens! They all look mean, they all have potential to be real killers! I dont think there is a camaro I would not want in my garage, some may need more modding then others but the 5th gen is defintily my cup of tea right now, thats the one I really want in my garage! If you really want to fight about camaros then hell, I would rather have a 70 1/2 split bumper with a Pat Musi 555 in it 
over any of our junk LOL.
over any of our junk LOL.
09-26-2011, 02:50 PM
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Guys we can argue about this **** all day long, in the end arnt we all real camaro guys! Fact is I love 4th gens, I loved both of mine and I love this car too, hell I loved the 3rd gens! They all look mean, they all have potential to be real killers! I dont think there is a camaro I would not want in my garage, some may need more modding then others but the 5th gen is defintily my cup of tea right now, thats the one I really want in my garage! If you really want to fight about camaros then hell, I would rather have a 70 1/2 split bumper with a Pat Musi 555 in it over any of our junk LOL.
over any of our junk LOL.