4th Gen vs. 5th Gen profile comparo. *pic*
09-23-2011, 12:28 AM
#281
I agree, the bowties are obnoxious -- bring back the Corvette-like Camaro logos of yesteryear!
4th Gen hatchbacks actually make them much more functional/practical than 5th Gens -- I've taken a couple sheets of drywall a very short distance in one! LOL
4th Gen hatchbacks actually make them much more functional/practical than 5th Gens -- I've taken a couple sheets of drywall a very short distance in one! LOL
It's a name grab. Plain and simple. If GM wasn't in such financial trouble they may have risked actually naming it something new but they are.
The look and ride of a camaro isn't supposed to be for everyone. You're not _supposed_ to not feel like you're going 130mph when you are. And I'm sorry. But I dont care what the 1st gen camaro looked like. For 30 years it had a hatch. A glorious hatch that removed nearly any hope of trunk space over the solid rear axle. The camaro is a car for people who dont need a damn trunk for anything that wouldn't fit as carry-on in a plane. This zeta body camaro is as close to a camaro as a corvette is. Also. F this stupid bow-tie crap on the hood. Camaro emblem it is _NOT_.
The look and ride of a camaro isn't supposed to be for everyone. You're not _supposed_ to not feel like you're going 130mph when you are. And I'm sorry. But I dont care what the 1st gen camaro looked like. For 30 years it had a hatch. A glorious hatch that removed nearly any hope of trunk space over the solid rear axle. The camaro is a car for people who dont need a damn trunk for anything that wouldn't fit as carry-on in a plane. This zeta body camaro is as close to a camaro as a corvette is. Also. F this stupid bow-tie crap on the hood. Camaro emblem it is _NOT_.
09-23-2011, 12:42 AM
#282
The car will easy mid/low 10s on the new motor with the auto N/A. Sorry my cam + power adder time was too slow for you on its only pass @ the strip.These cars are plenty fast once you take a chunk of weight out. The LS3 is an amazing motor, a lot of people just don't want to hack into the car like the LS1 crowd does. That, and a lot of the tech and parts is/are still being developed. You can piece together an entire aftermarket 4th gen out of 20 different manufacturer's catalogs and not use one OEM part... but that's what 19 years of parts development have gotten the 4th gen. Good luck with that on the 5th gen, it's like starting from scratch all over again on the chassis side.
Last edited by DietCoke; 09-23-2011 at 01:13 AM.
09-23-2011, 12:56 AM
#283
Very well said. Interesting perspective about the mainstream angle...
I'm not exactly sure what he was getting at either, but I can tell you this: The 5th gen will be dismissed by the trendy-modern people when/if a 6th gen is released. Every arguement you make for current 5th gen superiority will be negated by a 6th gen (more refinement, better performance [presumably], newer technology, etc.). When a car is chasing after mainstream and/or trendy buyers, it's very nature is to not attract buyers who will be loyal to that specific car once something newer is released. This is why most older, mainstream cars have very little following or interest once they are no longer on the cutting edge of technology.
Non-mainstream cars (like Corvette, for example) usually have very loyal followings for each specific generation, since many of the people that buy these cars can appreciate them for more than just their temporary status as the latest offering, respective to their era. I'm not sure that the 5th gens will enjoy this level of loyalty from their owners, since many of you will probably drop them for a newer 6th gen if/when released and as soon as you can afford it.
The reasons why I like my 4th gens are reasons that won't go away or be negated by a newer car, no matter how many generations are released. The same cannot be said for many of the reasons why you prefer a 5th gen, which simply means that eventually you'll be making many of the same arguements for why the 6th gen is better (unless it becomes a FWD POS), should one be released. In other words, the 5th gen is great to you now, but how will you feel several years down the road?
100k miles on my '02 car. One power window motor went out @ 95k. Only one squeak/rattle, from the passenger side t-top in cold weather. If the car was a hardtop, it would be squeak free. Just my experience.
Non-mainstream cars (like Corvette, for example) usually have very loyal followings for each specific generation, since many of the people that buy these cars can appreciate them for more than just their temporary status as the latest offering, respective to their era. I'm not sure that the 5th gens will enjoy this level of loyalty from their owners, since many of you will probably drop them for a newer 6th gen if/when released and as soon as you can afford it.
The reasons why I like my 4th gens are reasons that won't go away or be negated by a newer car, no matter how many generations are released. The same cannot be said for many of the reasons why you prefer a 5th gen, which simply means that eventually you'll be making many of the same arguements for why the 6th gen is better (unless it becomes a FWD POS), should one be released. In other words, the 5th gen is great to you now, but how will you feel several years down the road?
100k miles on my '02 car. One power window motor went out @ 95k. Only one squeak/rattle, from the passenger side t-top in cold weather. If the car was a hardtop, it would be squeak free. Just my experience.
09-23-2011, 01:00 AM
#284
That is the thing though, isn't it -- Zeta is short-lived, lightweight Alpha will be the 6th Gen, and is also for the Cadillac ATS as I recall... F-Body had a longer life on Camaros...
These cars are plenty fast once you take a chunk of weight out. The LS3 is an amazing motor, a lot of people just don't want to hack into the car like the LS1 crowd does. That, and a lot of the tech and parts is/are still being developed. You can piece together an entire aftermarket 4th gen out of 20 different manufacturer's catalogs and not use one OEM part... but that's what 19 years of parts development have gotten the 4th gen. Good luck with that on the 5th gen, it's like starting from scratch all over again on the chassis side.
Last edited by libertyforall1776; 09-23-2011 at 09:51 AM.
09-23-2011, 01:06 AM
#285
Alpha is promising, but it's still going to be nearly as heavy as zeta, because they keep adding size and bullshit to it. the ATS is currently pushing 4k, and we probably wont see a camaro on the platform until my15.
One of the 5th gen's biggest misses are the trans/rear combo. The A6 is junk past 500rwhp, and the M6 ratios are horrible (3rd gear to 102, 4th gear to 170mph). I really feel if Chevrolet implemented the MT-82 gearset in the 6060, the manuals would pick up 4 tenths in the quarter mile. The 6L80 autos are just junk, it's either swap to 4l80 or keep grenading trannys. That and they're saddled with DOD and AFM from the factory, what a nightmare.
I really like the 5.0 cars, ford really hit all the key points to a cheap muscle car, but I can't be bothered to buy one, cammed LS cars just kick too much ***
One of the 5th gen's biggest misses are the trans/rear combo. The A6 is junk past 500rwhp, and the M6 ratios are horrible (3rd gear to 102, 4th gear to 170mph). I really feel if Chevrolet implemented the MT-82 gearset in the 6060, the manuals would pick up 4 tenths in the quarter mile. The 6L80 autos are just junk, it's either swap to 4l80 or keep grenading trannys. That and they're saddled with DOD and AFM from the factory, what a nightmare.
I really like the 5.0 cars, ford really hit all the key points to a cheap muscle car, but I can't be bothered to buy one, cammed LS cars just kick too much ***
Last edited by DietCoke; 09-23-2011 at 01:12 AM.
09-23-2011, 12:30 PM
#288
Still waiting for these almighty 11 sec bolt-on 4th gens to come kick my ***.... I don't know why you have such a stick crammed up your *** on the 5th gen but you built a racecar dude. You no longer have a Camaro. But keep trying to prove your point, I think you almost have us convinced.
09-23-2011, 02:25 PM
#289
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Still waiting for these almighty 11 sec bolt-on 4th gens to come kick my ***.... I don't know why you have such a stick crammed up your *** on the 5th gen but you built a racecar dude. You no longer have a Camaro. But keep trying to prove your point, I think you almost have us convinced.
09-23-2011, 06:43 PM
#290
Why do you think there's a 4L80 with a brake in my car now? Look through this thread all you want, I'm hardly a 5th gen fanboy, and continue to say that the 5.0 mustang is the better car from the factory. That being said, I love mine, and plan to keep it a long time.
09-24-2011, 04:30 PM
#291
Still waiting for these almighty 11 sec bolt-on 4th gens to come kick my ***.... I don't know why you have such a stick crammed up your *** on the 5th gen but you built a race car dude. You no longer have a Camaro. But keep trying to prove your point, I think you almost have us convinced.
Dietcoke, the only example im making with your ride, is that with all that power, and weight reduction, it still only traps 129....
09-24-2011, 06:14 PM
#293
This is just ridiculous now, so what it's a tube chassis car???? I guess the fact I drive it every day to work (IF it's not raining/snowing) makes it a total racecar....... All I said in the beginning was that I like the 5th gen looks, but it's too heavy for me to consider it. Then the 5th gen fanboi's jumped on me, and yes I responded back harshly. But nothing you clowns say will make me want your car. And if you cant accept the fact that there are cam only LS1 f bodies in the 10's, then you are just lost....... Hell Promod1955's car went 11.05 stock internals....
Dietcoke, the only example im making with your ride, is that with all that power, and weight reduction, it still only traps 129....
Dietcoke, the only example im making with your ride, is that with all that power, and weight reduction, it still only traps 129....
09-24-2011, 07:06 PM
#294
ehh, I dont know about the whole bogging thing, Ive bogged launches, spun hard, and had perfect runs and all the mph's were within 1-2. Maybe im just lucky...
I thought you were less than 3900?
I do like what you are doing with it however, dont get me wrong. It's the "I have a stock 5th gen that will rape your 10 year old car" mentality that gets me riled.....
09-24-2011, 07:21 PM
#295
This is just ridiculous now, so what it's a tube chassis car???? I guess the fact I drive it every day to work (IF it's not raining/snowing) makes it a total racecar....... All I said in the beginning was that I like the 5th gen looks, but it's too heavy for me to consider it. Then the 5th gen fanboi's jumped on me, and yes I responded back harshly. But nothing you clowns say will make me want your car. And if you cant accept the fact that there are cam only LS1 f bodies in the 10's, then you are just lost....... Hell Promod1955's car went 11.05 stock internals....
Dietcoke, the only example im making with your ride, is that with all that power, and weight reduction, it still only traps 129....
Dietcoke, the only example im making with your ride, is that with all that power, and weight reduction, it still only traps 129....
09-24-2011, 08:03 PM
#296
And you're incapable of reading so thats fine by me. Sure there are a bunch of 12 sec, cam only ls1's out there... There are also tons of people who cant drive to save their life, and even more who mess their cars up when doing said cam swap, so it really is a moot point. But I'll Accept that.
You are a funny dude, i'll give you that. From your posts you seem pretty fanboi - ish.
You are a funny dude, i'll give you that. From your posts you seem pretty fanboi - ish.
Now we're all clowns because you're incapable of a rational discussion? I never once have said anything about wanting you to get a 5th gen, I have enough morons with their heads in their *** that I have to deal with. I am also not a 5th gen fanboi either. When did I argue about 10 sec cam only LS1's exist? They're out there but they're not the norm. For every 10 sec cam only LS1 there are hundreds of 12 sec cam only LS1's. Can you accept that?
09-24-2011, 09:42 PM
#297
And you're incapable of reading so thats fine by me. Sure there are a bunch of 12 sec, cam only ls1's out there... There are also tons of people who cant drive to save their life, and even more who mess their cars up when doing said cam swap, so it really is a moot point. But I'll Accept that.
You are a funny dude, i'll give you that. From your posts you seem pretty fanboi - ish.
You are a funny dude, i'll give you that. From your posts you seem pretty fanboi - ish.
09-25-2011, 12:47 AM
#298
Well you did start http://chicago5thgen.com so that kinda makes you a fanboy, right? LOL
Pretty hard not to be a Camaro fan, though, regardless of generation...
Pretty hard not to be a Camaro fan, though, regardless of generation...
No, I'm pretty sure I can read what you post but I can't even accept your argument with the lack of factual information used. If I'm a fanboi I'd hate to know what that makes you. I guess by your train of thought it's OK for 4th gens to have bad drivers because they are gifts from god but all 5th gens are slow pieces of ****. Is that it?
09-25-2011, 04:59 AM
#299
ehh, I dont know about the whole bogging thing, Ive bogged launches, spun hard, and had perfect runs and all the mph's were within 1-2. Maybe im just lucky...
I thought you were less than 3900?
I do like what you are doing with it however, dont get me wrong. It's the "I have a stock 5th gen that will rape your 10 year old car" mentality that gets me riled.....
I thought you were less than 3900?
I do like what you are doing with it however, dont get me wrong. It's the "I have a stock 5th gen that will rape your 10 year old car" mentality that gets me riled.....
3900 was with me in it (240 at the time). It's about a hundred fifty lighter now.
09-25-2011, 07:18 AM
#300
No, I'm pretty sure I can read what you post but I can't even accept your argument with the lack of factual information used. If I'm a fanboi I'd hate to know what that makes you. I guess by your train of thought it's OK for 4th gens to have bad drivers because they are gifts from god but all 5th gens are slow pieces of ****. Is that it?