V6 with a few mods = quite impressive!
10-29-2008, 06:38 PM
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I think GM tested the car stock 14.5, I bet a good driver could get it to the low 14s easy stock. Then get it a tune, some mods, some tires, good stuff.
You can have a stock V6 camaro running 12s with almost 500hp but still be "slow worthless V6" in most members here minds.
When the hell did all you guys decide that 4th generation f-bodies were lightweights and the new camaro is a fat pig? The 4th gen was a fat pig for its time too. Cars now adays weigh more, get over it. The v6 with 300rwhp will run just a bit slower than a 4th gen with 300rwhp, but in no way is it going to be slower "just because it's a v6".
10-29-2008, 08:12 PM
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It has nothing to do with v6's. If the new camaro had a turbo v6 pushing over 400hp, then that would be cool in my book. What I, and many other here, don't care about or want is a slow Camaro. I would rather drive my FWD piece of crap neon than that, because it's way faster. I don't drive slow cars, that's all.
10-29-2008, 11:38 PM
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Some of you act like the V6 is going to be the only camaro comming out and since it only runs low-mid 14's STOCK it is worthless, so why bother getting a camaro....
Um, if that's the case then get the SS!! Damn, with the same mods on an SS you should be seeing low 12's, and if that is not respectable, then apparently you have spoiled with too much power and nothing is going to please you..
Hell how many people of the tens of thousands of buyers of these cars are going to be used to driving a 11 second car? 1% ? low 14's for a stock base model camaro that can be bought for $23k, or high 12's from the SS is pretty respectable in the MAJORITY of the buyers eyes.
Um, if that's the case then get the SS!! Damn, with the same mods on an SS you should be seeing low 12's, and if that is not respectable, then apparently you have spoiled with too much power and nothing is going to please you..
Hell how many people of the tens of thousands of buyers of these cars are going to be used to driving a 11 second car? 1% ? low 14's for a stock base model camaro that can be bought for $23k, or high 12's from the SS is pretty respectable in the MAJORITY of the buyers eyes.
10-30-2008, 09:06 AM
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It is true there are very few truly fast neons because FWD is bad no matter what for a fast street car. Mine isn't big turbo, just a ported, big wheel stocker on E85. It will never be a truly good fast car; that would be a waste of time and effort in my book. What I have done up to this point has been easy, reliable and reversible. I have a turbo Camaro for trying to be really fast.
10-30-2008, 11:50 AM
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The new v6 camaro will not be slow..and its a great deal around 23k. Bump the timing with a tune on 93 octane along with a few other mods and you're looking at a fun little ride that will probably get decent gas mileage. Just because it weighs 3800lbs doesn't mean you can't do some basic weight reduction and shave 100lbs or better fairly easily.
10-30-2008, 01:48 PM
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Now if we actually looked at the Performance version of the camaro, the SS then we are looking at your stock time of 14.0 and the SS stock time of high 12's... Now there is a big difference.
And like has been mentioned before, "fast" is different for everyone, I started this thread ONLY to point out the BASE model camaro is going to be a pretty good performer with a few mods. Why did an arguement of a neon being faster than the new V6 camaro have to be started?
10-30-2008, 02:29 PM
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Again, if the only camaro comming out was the V6 and that was the high performer I could see your point.. but that fact is you are comparing the high performance version of a "neon" to the base model of the camaro in which we are talking about here.
Now if we actually looked at the Performance version of the camaro, the SS then we are looking at your stock time of 14.0 and the SS stock time of high 12's... Now there is a big difference.
And like has been mentioned before, "fast" is different for everyone, I started this thread ONLY to point out the BASE model camaro is going to be a pretty good performer with a few mods. Why did an arguement of a neon being faster than the new V6 camaro have to be started?
Now if we actually looked at the Performance version of the camaro, the SS then we are looking at your stock time of 14.0 and the SS stock time of high 12's... Now there is a big difference.
And like has been mentioned before, "fast" is different for everyone, I started this thread ONLY to point out the BASE model camaro is going to be a pretty good performer with a few mods. Why did an arguement of a neon being faster than the new V6 camaro have to be started?
10-30-2008, 06:35 PM
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Well with some more searching on the cadillac forums it looks like the RWD CTS with the same motor is running anywhere from 14.5-14.8 @ 95+ mph. So depending on the driver, track, etc.. the CTS is a Mid to high 14 second car.
The CTS is not geared for drag racing and more for top end I am guessing, and is also heavier than the V6 Camaro will be, so I would assume with the Camaro being geared for off the line acceleration better than the CTS is, and it being slightly lighter, I would bet it will run Low to Mid 14's with a good driver such as a 14.3-14.6 1/4... STOCK
The CTS is not geared for drag racing and more for top end I am guessing, and is also heavier than the V6 Camaro will be, so I would assume with the Camaro being geared for off the line acceleration better than the CTS is, and it being slightly lighter, I would bet it will run Low to Mid 14's with a good driver such as a 14.3-14.6 1/4... STOCK
10-31-2008, 04:04 AM
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I also for some reason have this feeling that the Camaro's V6 might possibly put out a little more hp/tq stock compared to the CTS.. I guess we won't know until the final numbers are realeased along with the final "everything".
either way it should be a great all around car for entry level enthusiasts
10-31-2008, 06:07 PM
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I for one am happy to say I just ordered my V6 Aqua Green metallic with the RS package and the Factory Hurst Shifter and it came out to 28k and change. Base for the car was 24,800 RS package was 1700, Hurst shifter was 300 and rest is tax and other small BS. I bought mine because of the way it looked...I could care less how fast it goes. In the end, on the street I can only go as fast as the sign on the side of the road says. I for one dont care how quick I can get up to that speed. . . .
10-31-2008, 06:49 PM
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the 6L50 trans in the V6 has these ratios:
1st) 4.07
2nd) 2.37
3rd) 1.55
4th) 1.16
5th) 0.85
6th) 0.67
with the 3.27 rear, thats a 13.31 overall 1st gear ratio... last gen woulda needed a 4.30 rear gear to get a 13.16 ratio...
1st) 4.07
2nd) 2.37
3rd) 1.55
4th) 1.16
5th) 0.85
6th) 0.67
with the 3.27 rear, thats a 13.31 overall 1st gear ratio... last gen woulda needed a 4.30 rear gear to get a 13.16 ratio...
10-31-2008, 07:37 PM
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My car was a hard top no option. I removed the monsoon amp and also the spare jack. I also had lighter aftermarket exhaust that was dumped at the axle w/ bullets and a 1/3 tank of gas when she was weighed at EPP.
It was 3297 on the dot. With no driver of coarse
the average 4th gen has got to be about 3500 my guess.
It was 3297 on the dot. With no driver of coarse
the average 4th gen has got to be about 3500 my guess.
10-31-2008, 10:08 PM
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If you think a 5th gen v6 with 300rwhp will run with a 300rwhp LS1 4th gen, your high as hell. The car is at least 4-500lbs heavier, and while a stock LS1 may dyno at 300 rwhp, the TQ is going to probably be 60-70 ft/lbs higher (320-330ish vs the 260 example above) than the V6 across the whole curve.
11-01-2008, 10:26 AM
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I think the v6 will be a great base car, but I doubt very much we will see these gains from mods. Vendors like to claim gains so they can sell parts... 18whp from a catback on a v6? damn, I dunno...
11-01-2008, 11:20 AM
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I think what we are trying to get to is a modded v6 2010 Camaro w/ a good driver should be able to take our competitors out w/ their V8'S so they know they have no chance against the SS.