2010 Mustang reveal. 400 + 500 hp
11-20-2008, 09:14 PM
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Depends on where you go and what kind of sales priority the dealership has. The dealership down the street from me has 09's sitting on the lot priced out in the 25-28K range. But one town over there's a dealership selling 09's starting at 29K and going upwards of 35K. Can't tell you the reasoning behind that (I'm not in the market for a new one, so I don't stop to see what the deals are).
You guys just better hope that this markup bug doesn't plague the upcoming Camaro. If GT buyers looking at a 27K starting price can end up paying over 35K, then an SS starting at 31K could end up costing some ppl close to 40K.
You guys just better hope that this markup bug doesn't plague the upcoming Camaro. If GT buyers looking at a 27K starting price can end up paying over 35K, then an SS starting at 31K could end up costing some ppl close to 40K.
11-20-2008, 10:47 PM
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Ford doesnt have any engine as good as the LSx series. The SS will give the GT500 a good run(beat it IMO) with 435hp(real LS3 hp like the vette, not the underrated 425 to please the vette buyer) and around 3800 lbs. Plus it will cost almost 10K$ less..
Forget the 400hp mustang; by the time it will be at 400hp, the SS will be close to 500, without forgetting the upcoming Z28 550hp..
I saw some post with guys still thinking that the LS1 had 305, 315 or 325hp in the fbody; they had the same damn engine that the vette had. LS1=350hp(295-320rwhp), except the later models with the LS6 intake that was more like 370-385hp...FYI
Forget the 400hp mustang; by the time it will be at 400hp, the SS will be close to 500, without forgetting the upcoming Z28 550hp..
I saw some post with guys still thinking that the LS1 had 305, 315 or 325hp in the fbody; they had the same damn engine that the vette had. LS1=350hp(295-320rwhp), except the later models with the LS6 intake that was more like 370-385hp...FYI
11-21-2008, 01:48 AM
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Let me ask you both something, would YOU buy a vehicle from a bankrupt car company?
11-21-2008, 03:15 AM
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you said that the 5.4 was brought to you guys from the SVT engineers...really? last time i checked the Cobra R had a production of like 300 cars...and i have yet to see the 5.4 in ANY GT from the factory...we are discussing the GT in this thread aren't we? and the fact that it has **** for power with that 4.6 right? and the fact that the 5.4 isn't in that specific car right? If i remember correctly the guy that you responded to said if they made anything close to 400 it wouldn't be so bad...but they don't and the 5.4 will not be found in the GT anytime soon...if ever...so please stfu and stop bringing in specialty cars with the engine that you would want ford to use.
Well, what Ford lacks to give the faithful the FORD faithful make themselves....
DOHC 5.4l Guess what it going in? A GT.
Yes, that is a 01 cobra intake, they are matted to the wider 5.4l using billet adapter plates.We engineer what we can and make **** work when it was not "suppose" to be or "made" that way...If its broke fix it lol
11-21-2008, 06:30 AM
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11-21-2008, 06:47 AM
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Rumor going around that the new GT weighs 150 lbs less. And the new Camaro weighs in at 3600. The new GT may weigh 3,250 since the current GT weighs 3400. Have fun with your fat ***. On top of that Ford still has GT500's and every other name of a Mustang to play the 550 hp game.
http://www.fordvehicles.com/the2010mustang/
Also note Ford is doing financial better then GM. GM's opel division begged for money in Germany and got it. Ford isn't begging it's foreign countries. Ford is the only one of the three US brands that has more Equity then Debt. So sit on that.
The New GT will come in around 25 to 26k, while the Camaro will hit around 30k. Looks like its another decade of Stang outselling the Camaro.
I also heard GM has pushed the Camaro back to 2011. Sad. So you might as well scratch that on order in your sig to 2011.
http://www.fordvehicles.com/the2010mustang/
Also note Ford is doing financial better then GM. GM's opel division begged for money in Germany and got it. Ford isn't begging it's foreign countries. Ford is the only one of the three US brands that has more Equity then Debt. So sit on that.
The New GT will come in around 25 to 26k, while the Camaro will hit around 30k. Looks like its another decade of Stang outselling the Camaro.
I also heard GM has pushed the Camaro back to 2011. Sad. So you might as well scratch that on order in your sig to 2011.
11-21-2008, 09:56 AM
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Depends on where you go and what kind of sales priority the dealership has. The dealership down the street from me has 09's sitting on the lot priced out in the 25-28K range. But one town over there's a dealership selling 09's starting at 29K and going upwards of 35K. Can't tell you the reasoning behind that (I'm not in the market for a new one, so I don't stop to see what the deals are).
You guys just better hope that this markup bug doesn't plague the upcoming Camaro. If GT buyers looking at a 27K starting price can end up paying over 35K, then an SS starting at 31K could end up costing some ppl close to 40K.
You guys just better hope that this markup bug doesn't plague the upcoming Camaro. If GT buyers looking at a 27K starting price can end up paying over 35K, then an SS starting at 31K could end up costing some ppl close to 40K.
11-21-2008, 11:34 AM
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Ok, I would as well.
But you and I might be very alone in that thinking, SO MANY others would NOT buy after that. And what may I ask do they do for income/cash flow (to keep the heat and lights on so to speak) until that LONG bankruptcy process was finished up?
You can see the MAJOR problems associated with that approach as well...neither answer is a great one but we're dealing with 'a worst of two evils' situation here.
But you and I might be very alone in that thinking, SO MANY others would NOT buy after that. And what may I ask do they do for income/cash flow (to keep the heat and lights on so to speak) until that LONG bankruptcy process was finished up?
You can see the MAJOR problems associated with that approach as well...neither answer is a great one but we're dealing with 'a worst of two evils' situation here.
11-21-2008, 03:35 PM
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11-21-2008, 03:37 PM
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Your right, the weight would only help about 30 to 40 hp. But it still needs 70+ more hp to match the Camaro SS.
11-21-2008, 09:06 PM
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Give this guy a tampon...
Well, what Ford lacks to give the faithful the FORD faithful make themselves....
DOHC 5.4l Guess what it going in? A GT.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...l/110_1467.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...l/110_1290.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...l/110_1206.jpg
Yes, that is a 01 cobra intake, they are matted to the wider 5.4l using billet adapter plates.We engineer what we can and make **** work when it was not "suppose" to be or "made" that way...If its broke fix it lol
Well, what Ford lacks to give the faithful the FORD faithful make themselves....
DOHC 5.4l Guess what it going in? A GT.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...l/110_1467.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...l/110_1290.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...l/110_1206.jpg
Yes, that is a 01 cobra intake, they are matted to the wider 5.4l using billet adapter plates.We engineer what we can and make **** work when it was not "suppose" to be or "made" that way...If its broke fix it lol
We were talking about FORD putting the 5.4 FROM THE FACTORY....let me slow it down for you...we...were...talking...about...THE 5.4.....COMING.....IN A GT.....STANDARD...did you get that?
Hey look at me I'm putting an LS9 in my car...guess where its going??...in a Z28!!
11-21-2008, 11:56 PM
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Ford doesnt have any engine as good as the LSx series. The SS will give the GT500 a good run(beat it IMO) with 435hp(real LS3 hp like the vette, not the underrated 425 to please the vette buyer) and around 3800 lbs. Plus it will cost almost 10K$ less..
Forget the 400hp mustang; by the time it will be at 400hp, the SS will be close to 500, without forgetting the upcoming Z28 550hp..
I saw some post with guys still thinking that the LS1 had 305, 315 or 325hp in the fbody; they had the same damn engine that the vette had. LS1=350hp(295-320rwhp), except the later models with the LS6 intake that was more like 370-385hp...FYI
Forget the 400hp mustang; by the time it will be at 400hp, the SS will be close to 500, without forgetting the upcoming Z28 550hp..
I saw some post with guys still thinking that the LS1 had 305, 315 or 325hp in the fbody; they had the same damn engine that the vette had. LS1=350hp(295-320rwhp), except the later models with the LS6 intake that was more like 370-385hp...FYI
I don't think the SS will beat the GT500..the GT500 weights at 3800lbs(thats without the great sound system which is what the shown weight includes) and the camaro weights around the same aswell so I think the GT500 will beat it.
Also the time when the Mustang gets the MOD 400hp 5.0L will be 2011 and chevy won't improve their engine's hp by that time I think but if they do,it wont be 500hp.The Mustang engine is going to be impressive to mod I bet and the car is going to weight less which is always good.
Also expect the GT500 to get some improvements later to face off the Z28
11-22-2008, 02:31 AM
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That depends,the MOD DOHC 4.6L 4v has done 800rwhp+ stockmotor and the MOD 5.4L from the Ford GT has done 1000rwhp stock motor and the 5.4L of the GT500 is close behind.The LS engines are great aswell and can make huge hp and weight alot less but the ford engines are impressive for being stock motors and being able to handle that power.
I don't think the SS will beat the GT500..the GT500 weights at 3800lbs(thats without the great sound system which is what the shown weight includes) and the camaro weights around the same aswell so I think the GT500 will beat it.
Also the time when the Mustang gets the MOD 400hp 5.0L will be 2011 and chevy won't improve their engine's hp by that time I think but if they do,it wont be 500hp.The Mustang engine is going to be impressive to mod I bet and the car is going to weight less which is always good.
Also expect the GT500 to get some improvements later to face off the Z28
I don't think the SS will beat the GT500..the GT500 weights at 3800lbs(thats without the great sound system which is what the shown weight includes) and the camaro weights around the same aswell so I think the GT500 will beat it.
Also the time when the Mustang gets the MOD 400hp 5.0L will be 2011 and chevy won't improve their engine's hp by that time I think but if they do,it wont be 500hp.The Mustang engine is going to be impressive to mod I bet and the car is going to weight less which is always good.
Also expect the GT500 to get some improvements later to face off the Z28
11-22-2008, 02:56 AM
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GT500 is 3920lbs, Camaro M6 is 3813lbs. Camaros are going to need some serious mods while the GT500 can just add a pulley and a tune; however the Camaro guys will have at least 15k to spend. I would rather get a stripped GT (`3500lbs) forge the motor, boost it and kick the crap out of both the cars above for around 35k.
I rather get a gt500 because it has greater potential and is better IMO
11-22-2008, 04:30 AM
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to everyone who has written on this topic, (THERE IS NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT) very old saying but stands, high price, low price whatever. The pontential for an lsx engine is more compared to any modular ford engine i have ever seen. why? displacement!(and hell you can't argue its a chevy) displacement Something that the ford motor company cant get through there heads that makes more power. and dont bring ferrari in on this, hell if i had a 4valve engine going up to 8500 rpm's it would make 500 + toooo. Ford fans if you want to do your self a favor send them idiots at ford an email or letter telling them to create an engine with some cubes hell i have been thinking about doing it lately cause they are starting to **** me off with a 4.6 v8 in a sports car.
11-22-2008, 04:38 AM
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Yeah. Everyone has a preference. It's not 15k-20k better if you ask me, but if I had unlimited dollars it would be in my collection.