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Old 12-30-2008, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Codefive
Yah but the 4th gen also didnt cost $35K
They most certainly did. Some of us were around to buy them brand new in 98-02. My 02 SS convertible stickered at $39K. Most WS6s, Firehawks, and highly options SS's were in the $30s

I mean damn, just because they aren't worth anything today, doesn't mean they didn't cost a lot new
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
I mean damn, just because they aren't worth anything today, doesn't mean they didn't cost a lot new
o stop being foolish nine.. you know thats true.. you cant get more than 15k for them right now.. so no way brand new with 0 miles did they sell for more than 20k...
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
They most certainly did. Some of us were around to buy them brand new in 98-02. My 02 SS convertible stickered at $39K. Most WS6s, Firehawks, and highly options SS's were in the $30s

I mean damn, just because they aren't worth anything today, doesn't mean they didn't cost a lot new
Hold on a minute ... Apples to apples please. Lets load up a 2010 and I think the bill comes in around low $40s. I was using a basic SS which will be about $35K w/ a few goodies.

My appologies if I hit a nerve, I didnt recall them being that expensive.
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Originally Posted by Codefive
Hold on a minute ... Apples to apples please. Lets load up a 2010 and I think the bill comes in around low $40s. I was using a basic SS which will be about $35K w/ a few goodies.

My appologies if I hit a nerve, I didnt recall them being that expensive.
You can't compare apples to apples because the 5th gen comes with more options. You couldn't get onstar, 9 speaker sound system, heated seats, DIC or HID's on any 4th gen. The 4th gen option list was pretty sparce in 02. Similarly equiped, they are pretty close in price.
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Originally Posted by Codefive
Hold on a minute ... Apples to apples please. Lets load up a 2010 and I think the bill comes in around low $40s. I was using a basic SS which will be about $35K w/ a few goodies.

My appologies if I hit a nerve, I didnt recall them being that expensive.
You didn't hit a nerve, I posted facts. My fully loaded SS/Firehawk/WS6 cars were indeed in the $30s new. Even when fully loaded, they weren't as optioned as the 2010 Camaro SS will be. Onstar, Bluetooth, 400 hp LS3, independent rear suspension, 20" wheels and tires, HID headlights, the list goes on.

You can't compare prices from 8 model years ago to today's pricing. All of this stuff bundled up into a $30-35K 2010 Camaro is a great value. Just the build quality alone will be worth it. 4th gens were designed almost 20 years ago, in the late 80s. Manufacturing processes and all sorts of things have improved since then.
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Originally Posted by Nine Ball
You can't compare prices from 8 model years ago to today's pricing. All of this stuff bundled up into a $30-35K 2010 Camaro is a great value. Just the build quality alone will be worth it. 4th gens were designed almost 20 years ago, in the late 80s. Manufacturing processes and all sorts of things have improved since then.
^^What he said^^
Come on now you guys cant be bitching about the cost of the new Camaro.
Thats alot of car for the money. And 4th Gens Z28's were around $28-29 Nicely equipped.
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Originally Posted by 7998
^^What he said^^
Come on now you guys cant be bitching about the cost of the new Camaro.
Thats alot of car for the money. And 4th Gens Z28's were around $28-29 Nicely equipped.
My buddy bought his 02 Z 6-speed for just under 26K, I dont think GMs in any position to overloading Camaros with too much. Onstar, Blue tooth?! Not a good idea in my opinion. They need to offer way more of cloth interior, few power options, just simple good ext. looks and a fast motor. You can cook your hot pockets when you get home. You dont need to while youre driving lol!
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Originally Posted by wannabess00
My buddy bought his 02 Z 6-speed for just under 26K, I dont think GMs in any position to overloading Camaros with too much. Onstar, Blue tooth?! Not a good idea in my opinion. They need to offer way more of cloth interior, few power options, just simple good ext. looks and a fast motor. You can cook your hot pockets when you get home. You dont need to while youre driving lol!
Some people want that now. And yes there are plenty of us that don't need blue tooth or onstar but those both could be considered safety features. As far as the leather I don't see why so many people want cloth over leather. If you are unhappy with the price don't buy one. Fourth gen LS1's were actually a pretty good deal when you think about it.

Originally Posted by Nine Ball
They most certainly did. Some of us were around to buy them brand new in 98-02. My 02 SS convertible stickered at $39K. Most WS6s, Firehawks, and highly options SS's were in the $30s

I mean damn, just because they aren't worth anything today, doesn't mean they didn't cost a lot new
Dang what did that SS vert have on it? My car stickered at like just under $34k. I suppose the verts did cost a little more though right.
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Originally Posted by 7998
^^What he said^^
Come on now you guys cant be bitching about the cost of the new Camaro.
Thats alot of car for the money. And 4th Gens Z28's were around $28-29 Nicely equipped.
Some people would still find a reason to bitch if the new Camaro came fully loaded for under $15K. No matter what the car comes with or how much it costs, there will always be people that find something to bitch about.
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Originally Posted by Z Fury
Some people would still find a reason to bitch if the new Camaro came fully loaded for under $15K. No matter what the car comes with or how much it costs, there will always be people that find something to bitch about.
Thats right
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Originally Posted by greg_74
Some people want that now. And yes there are plenty of us that don't need blue tooth or onstar but those both could be considered safety features. As far as the leather I don't see why so many people want cloth over leather. If you are unhappy with the price don't buy one. Fourth gen LS1's were actually a pretty good deal when you think about it.


You see, its not that I wouldnt buy one because I didnt like the price, its that I couldnt because of the price should it be over 28K for a base V8. Thats the whole idea. Camaros are not a rich person cars nor have they ever been. Let the "richy riches" buy the Corvettes and the Special Edition Camaros. And if they didnt like it then let them have the option to not buy one rather than it be the ones who do want one but cant afford it.
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Originally Posted by wannabess00
You see, its not that I wouldnt buy one because I didnt like the price, its that I couldnt because of the price should it be over 28K for a base V8. Thats the whole idea. Camaros are not a rich person cars nor have they ever been. Let the "richy riches" buy the Corvettes and the Special Edition Camaros. And if they didnt like it then let them have the option to not buy one rather than it be the ones who do want one but cant afford it.
What are you comparing this price against? The prices of all vehicles have gone up due to inflation over the years. You know how people always want pay raises? That goes into the price of the car (for labor to make the car, and labor for the materials on the car). If you are comparing it to the Vette, you're looking at the base V8 Camaro coming in right around $30K and the base Vette coming in at $48.5K (per Chevy.com). Looks like the Camaro is still the "poor man's" option.
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You get what you pay for and from what I can tell the new Camaro is a great deal. Is it cheap? No. Do you get alot of value for the money? Yes. People seem to forget that the 4th gens were not cheap either, but we all seem to think they were worth the money. I think once the new Camaro comes out and we can all go sit in one and drive it everyone will understand what a good value the new Camaro is.
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BTW I want the LS7 Camaro wheels!
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Civics now start in the mid to high teens...
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Originally Posted by Z Fury
What are you comparing this price against? The prices of all vehicles have gone up due to inflation over the years. You know how people always want pay raises? That goes into the price of the car (for labor to make the car, and labor for the materials on the car). If you are comparing it to the Vette, you're looking at the base V8 Camaro coming in right around $30K and the base Vette coming in at $48.5K (per Chevy.com). Looks like the Camaro is still the "poor man's" option.
Please dont start the labor argument crap I beg you! Not today. Im with UAW Leadership and Im trying to steer clear because it just turns into a political view argument thats based on bull crap. Honestly, I just priced out a brand new UAW built 2007 Monte Carlo SS 1 1/2 years ago for $26,195. I assure you if they really put their minds to it to build a low cost V8 Camaro they could do it with little trouble.
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Originally Posted by wannabess00
Please dont start the labor argument crap I beg you! Not today. Im with UAW Leadership and Im trying to steer clear because it just turns into a political view argument thats based on bull crap. Honestly, I just priced out a brand new UAW built 2007 Monte Carlo SS 1 1/2 years ago for $26,195. I assure you if they really put their minds to it to build a low cost V8 Camaro they could do it with little trouble.
I wasn't implying any UAW "labor argument crap," just a simple progression of wage inflation. It is common knowledge (at least I thought it was) that pretty much every profession is making more money than they were more than 8 years ago. That being true, why is it so far fetched to see that the costs of everything have gone up? Does anyone remember when a candy bar could be had for $0.33 and a coke machine would grant you a Coke for just two quarters? I still hear stories from my parents about going to the movies for a quarter. Costs have gone up on everything, as people demand more money to do their jobs. (You can also point at the decreased buying power of the almighty dollar.)

And if you are really trying to compare a Monte Carlo SS from 2007's model year to the new Camaro, you are really missing the boat.
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Originally Posted by VSGLS1
Civics now start in the mid to high teens...
Yup, $15.3K last I looked (a week ago, I think). No one seems to cry that it is "too much money for the car."
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Actually it is mostly cost of materials, gas, food, etc. The average American is making comparable wages to 2001, adjusted for inflation. This might not hold true for union jobs.


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