"Why the New Camaro Will Fail"?
F-bodies have and always will be better/faster than the Mustang equivalent period. Just because they may sell more mustangs doesnt mean it's a better car. Best selling doesn't make something the best quality. I'm kinda glad the camaro isn't sold as much, cause i get tired of seeing a hundred mustangs a day on the road, if camaro's were just as common that would be kinda gay.
Originally Posted by White95TA
F-bodies have and always will be better/faster than the Mustang equivalent period. Just because they may sell more mustangs doesnt mean it's a better car. Best selling doesn't make something the best quality. I'm kinda glad the camaro isn't sold as much, cause i get tired of seeing a hundred mustangs a day on the road, if camaro's were just as common that would be kinda gay.
Originally Posted by NightWindDriftr
If the Camaro sold as well as the Mustang, it would probably still be alive today. And I don't know about you, but I never get tired of seeing muscle on the road, whether it be Mopar, GM, or Ford.
Last edited by White95TA; Jun 25, 2006 at 07:34 PM.
Originally Posted by NightWindDriftr
If the Camaro sold as well as the Mustang, it would probably still be alive today. And I don't know about you, but I never get tired of seeing muscle on the road, whether it be Mopar, GM, or Ford.
Staging Lane
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From: California, montebello
i just have one thing to say, and its that if this car would have such a bad way in sales, then why is it that people are putting money down on these cars, when there not even released to the dealers. If you dont believe me this is the link to the website that i found this at
www.camaro5.com
just scroll down when you open the page
and the last time that happened was during the time of the viper in 1990. No other car has had this much demand for it.
www.camaro5.com
just scroll down when you open the page
and the last time that happened was during the time of the viper in 1990. No other car has had this much demand for it.
12 Second Club
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hahaha this **** stick needs to do his research and rethink everything before he goes and wrights some bull **** like this ... im pretty sure he drives a mustang so if would ever happend to read this id be glad to show him what REAL AMERICAN MUSCLE IS !!! 
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Originally Posted by FivePointGo
No one here have any respect for Mustangs?
Camaro has always had the traditional engine. V8,16 valves, pushrods. That is all I want in a car. Not all this gangly **** that the Mustang and other cars now incorporate. Do you know how hard it would be to work on a car with 32 valves? Everything is a fingernail apart from each other... the engine looks abnormally large and has smaller displacement.
Plus I will tell you right now that it is a pain in the *** to have two cams. You have to dial the cams in seperately with adjustable cam gears. That takes a lot of time to find the winning combo.
Plus I will tell you right now that it is a pain in the *** to have two cams. You have to dial the cams in seperately with adjustable cam gears. That takes a lot of time to find the winning combo.
I like how he conveniently ignored the fact that second and third gen camaros were some of the best selling cars in US history. There was a reason for them to sell as well as they did and clearly their appeal was more than just speed since 70s camaros were all incredibly slow anyways. Ford may have invented the pony car concept, but from 64-67 Chevelles more than picked up any slack GM had before the Camaro came out and dominated sales for 2 decades. He is right about trying to get a foothold in the market though, that will be very hard. Simply outperforming the mustang won't be enough to sway any non-brand-oriented buyers to their camp as was obvious in the 90s when regular little LT1 Z28s spanked top of the line 4.6 DOHC Cobras. Between ricers and mustangs they have tough competition in the youth oriented market; all the older guys possibly interested would or could just buy Vettes.
*some one should inform the writer of that column that the LS1 always got better economy than the 4.6 inspite of being larger and more powerful. It also got better economy than these new ricerburner EVOs and WRX turds
*some one should inform the writer of that column that the LS1 always got better economy than the 4.6 inspite of being larger and more powerful. It also got better economy than these new ricerburner EVOs and WRX turds
Originally Posted by FivePointGo
I understand how this article could upset you guys but please don't bash on the Mustang just because this guy says some stupid things. I'm a Ford guy through and through but I have respect for the f-bodies because they carry a classic American nameplate. In a way I'm glad to see the Camaro coming back because it means that Ford will have to step up their game with the Mustang. It's always been a back and forth battle between GM and Ford over who has the best pony car and it's always been the consumer who ends up winning. :-)
Staging Lane
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Originally Posted by FivePointGo
No one here have any respect for Mustangs?
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Originally Posted by 2002_Z28_Six_Speed
Plus I will tell you right now that it is a pain in the *** to have two cams. You have to dial the cams in seperately with adjustable cam gears. That takes a lot of time to find the winning combo.
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As obviously stated... this guy doesn't know what he is talking about. While part of the battle with the cars is the looks the other half is the price of the car itself. For an example look at the Solstice/Sky, it is something that is cheap, sporty and economical. IIRC they have sold all of the 06 models and have half the 07's already lined up and ready to be sold when they hit the floor. While it doesn't have much power its first year the next year should be good with a Turbo and I can see them eventually upgrading to a V6 or possible ever a Forced Induction V6, how could you not buy something that could be so fun??
What needs to happen with the next set of Camaros is they need to price them so that if you want a Camaro to just have a Camaro you can get one, but then if you go and say "want the meanest, thoughest, most badass car out there that will force me to buy more tires after just five miles of fun" they need to make sure they price that right also and not try to bend over the buyer. With the Stangs it is obvious they are a hot item, you can't possibly go 5 miles without seeing a Mustang, old or new. I don't think I go a single day without seeing at least 10+ of them driving through town. As for the F bodies, I MIGHT see 3 - 5 of them in a day, generally Camaros, maybe one being a Firebird and I would say 9/10 it is a V6.
Basically with the hype this is getting, GM should really release what their pricing might look like with them to at least give people a heads up. If people are getting excited over the cars and they turn out to have a $40k+ price tag, it is going to take some serious motivation to get them moving...
What needs to happen with the next set of Camaros is they need to price them so that if you want a Camaro to just have a Camaro you can get one, but then if you go and say "want the meanest, thoughest, most badass car out there that will force me to buy more tires after just five miles of fun" they need to make sure they price that right also and not try to bend over the buyer. With the Stangs it is obvious they are a hot item, you can't possibly go 5 miles without seeing a Mustang, old or new. I don't think I go a single day without seeing at least 10+ of them driving through town. As for the F bodies, I MIGHT see 3 - 5 of them in a day, generally Camaros, maybe one being a Firebird and I would say 9/10 it is a V6.
Basically with the hype this is getting, GM should really release what their pricing might look like with them to at least give people a heads up. If people are getting excited over the cars and they turn out to have a $40k+ price tag, it is going to take some serious motivation to get them moving...
