"Why the New Camaro Will Fail"?
Originally Posted by wamp42
Ford's top model is the Mustang. GM's top model is the Corvette. Corvette was first. Mustang followed. Enough said.
So true, Ford couldn't compete performance wise with GM's second best vehicle and they are no where near the Z06. 
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Originally Posted by Roarin_8
So true, Ford couldn't compete performance wise with GM's second best vehicle and they are no where near the Z06.
But hey thats my opinion 
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im eagerly waiting the new camaro, because after the camaro im sure there will be a TRANS AM. and with a collage grad present comming in 2009, (hopefully im trying) i will be first in line for a new TA 
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Originally Posted by Roarin_8
Not in price 
and in stock form, it's a driver's race 
and in stock form, it's a driver's race the GT barely outperforms the Z06.. and for what.. at least twice the price..
and the Z06 is a practicle car.. isnt the GT like practically a stripped down race car?
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Originally Posted by FireStorm
what he said
the GT barely outperforms the Z06.. and for what.. at least twice the price..
and the Z06 is a practicle car.. isnt the GT like practically a stripped down race car?
the GT barely outperforms the Z06.. and for what.. at least twice the price..
and the Z06 is a practicle car.. isnt the GT like practically a stripped down race car?
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From: Anna, OH
Originally Posted by 69mach
No, the GT is a supercar, which the corvette will never be. And for the class it is in (porsche, Lambo, etc.) it is a cheap car.
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Originally Posted by LTSpeed
The GT is also gone (sad to say). And the Z06, supercar or not, is still the 2nd fastest production car ever on the Nurnburgering--which has seen every production supercar ever built.
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Originally Posted by 69mach
GT wasnt ment to be in production for long, it was to get Ford's name out in Europe again in performance. Pretty sure the new Z06 isnt the 2nd fastest production car. I am absolutely sure it isnt faster than Z06. Trust me the Z06 isnt THAT fast. And im not disrespecting the Z06 in any way I luv the performance for the price. But when you start saying that it is faster than almost every super car.....sorry BS
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Originally Posted by 69mach
GT wasnt ment to be in production for long, it was to get Ford's name out in Europe again in performance. Pretty sure the new Z06 isnt the 2nd fastest production car. I am absolutely sure it isnt faster than Z06. Trust me the Z06 isnt THAT fast. And im not disrespecting the Z06 in any way I luv the performance for the price. But when you start saying that it is faster than almost every super car.....sorry BS
I found this to be a good read and got something out of it. I do not agree 100% and yes some of the #s were a bit off.
I do see alot of logic to his point, and I would not rule out the new camaro being a bomb, not just on what this guy said but for the reasons he listed and others.
Time will tell.
I do see alot of logic to his point, and I would not rule out the new camaro being a bomb, not just on what this guy said but for the reasons he listed and others.
Time will tell.
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From: Anna, OH
Originally Posted by 69mach
Pretty sure the new Z06 isnt the 2nd fastest production car. I am absolutely sure it isnt faster than Z06. Trust me the Z06 isnt THAT fast. But when you start saying that it is faster than almost every super car.....sorry BS
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showt...1&page=1&pp=15
There's better info out there on it, but I don't have time to look it up right now (maybe someone else does).
And nobody ever said it was faster than every other supercar--just on this one circuit. An $80K car shouldn't even be close. But don't get hung up on the 505hp. It's that the Z06 is very good at putting that power to the road--and many "supercars" aren't.
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Originally Posted by LTSpeed
BS this...
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showt...1&page=1&pp=15
There's better info out there on it, but I don't have time to look it up right now (maybe someone else does).
And nobody ever said it was faster than every other supercar--just on this one circuit. An $80K car shouldn't even be close. But don't get hung up on the 505hp. It's that the Z06 is very good at putting that power to the road--and many "supercars" aren't.
http://www.z06vette.com/forums/showt...1&page=1&pp=15
There's better info out there on it, but I don't have time to look it up right now (maybe someone else does).
And nobody ever said it was faster than every other supercar--just on this one circuit. An $80K car shouldn't even be close. But don't get hung up on the 505hp. It's that the Z06 is very good at putting that power to the road--and many "supercars" aren't.
I tell ya what go and do research on what a supercar is, instead of emberassing yourself. I agreed with you that the Z06 is very close to the GT. And since when did this become a $$ forum? Everytime I bring up a Ford GT all I hear is how much it cost. Well its a rare car that Ford only produced for 2 years, and were planning on producing for only 2 years!!!! Im pretty sure if a "well off" guy had the money to spend on a GT or a Z06 he would choose the GT b/c not of only how awesome it performs but what the car represents not only to U.S. History but is also an international Icon. I'm not and will not disrespect the Z06 in any way, i mean yes its a very good bang for the buck but sorry any NORMAL person on the road sees a Z06 they just say "look a corvette" but if they saw a GT they would prob be like "D**N what the heck is that" Notice how I said normal people b/c if I see a Z06 I drool a lil bit.
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From: Anna, OH
Originally Posted by 69mach
...i mean yes its a very good bang for the buck but sorry any NORMAL person on the road sees a Z06 they just say "look a corvette" but if they saw a GT they would prob be like "D**N what the heck is that"
Notice how I said normal people b/c if I see a Z06 I drool a lil bit.
Notice how I said normal people b/c if I see a Z06 I drool a lil bit.
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The camaro's only problem is going to be price. I can see gm selling a base model v8 starting around 35k.
A 06 Monte SS STARTS AT 27K with no options and the 06 mustang base v8 starts around 26k A little CHEAPER than what my trans am cost new in 98 given its a better performer, higher option package and i love it, but still that was almost ten years ago
I still love my chevys and thats what ill race, but for my DD:
About the time the new camaro comes out I'll be ready for a new car, If can get almost the same performance for 10K less out of a mustang, sorry gm i like my money more than i like brand loyalty nice knowing ya. besides if i wasnt worried about money i'd be buying a challenger for $4?k
A 06 Monte SS STARTS AT 27K with no options and the 06 mustang base v8 starts around 26k A little CHEAPER than what my trans am cost new in 98 given its a better performer, higher option package and i love it, but still that was almost ten years ago
I still love my chevys and thats what ill race, but for my DD:
About the time the new camaro comes out I'll be ready for a new car, If can get almost the same performance for 10K less out of a mustang, sorry gm i like my money more than i like brand loyalty nice knowing ya. besides if i wasnt worried about money i'd be buying a challenger for $4?k
Last edited by 98TA_vert; Jul 5, 2006 at 12:14 PM.
Originally Posted by 69mach
Also the name will sale I mean "Shelby GT500" or a "Camaro LS7" ..... which one would a broad range of people know and want? Just my opinion but i think its a good one..
Anyone ever hear of the COPO ZL1...anyone?
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Originally Posted by 98TA_vert
The camaro's only problem is going to be price. I can see gm selling a base model v8 starting around 35k.
A 06 Monte SS STARTS AT 27K with no options and the 06 mustang base v8 starts around 26k A little CHEAPER than what my trans am cost new in 98 given its a better performer, higher option package and i love it, but still that was almost ten years ago
I still love my chevys and thats what ill race, but for my DD:
About the time the new camaro comes out I'll be ready for a new car, If can get almost the same performance for 10K less out of a mustang, sorry gm i like my money more than i like brand loyalty nice knowing ya. besides if i wasnt worried about money i'd be buying a challenger for $4?k
A 06 Monte SS STARTS AT 27K with no options and the 06 mustang base v8 starts around 26k A little CHEAPER than what my trans am cost new in 98 given its a better performer, higher option package and i love it, but still that was almost ten years ago
I still love my chevys and thats what ill race, but for my DD:
About the time the new camaro comes out I'll be ready for a new car, If can get almost the same performance for 10K less out of a mustang, sorry gm i like my money more than i like brand loyalty nice knowing ya. besides if i wasnt worried about money i'd be buying a challenger for $4?k
and i don't see any reason why the base v8 camaro will be over 30,000.. everyone keeps saying that, but there is no evidence either way
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Originally Posted by kdstang
Hmmm...A supercharged DOHC 330 cube v-8 makes a mustang a Shelby GT500...while an all-aluminum pushrod NA 427 in a camaro has no history?
Anyone ever hear of the COPO ZL1...anyone?
Anyone ever hear of the COPO ZL1...anyone?
Nobody ever said the 427 in a camaro had no history. I said the NAME will sale better to a BROAD range of people. Me and everyone on this post know that if you were to go out in public and ask a random group of people if they have ever heard of........ a COPO ZL1 or Shelby GT500? Almost everyone will know what a Shelby GT500 is over a COPO ZL1, but what do I know 
If you go into a group of normal people, 95% will not know what either are, however, if you ask a group of people who like cars but don't know a whole lot about them (maybe they can change their own oil and that's about it), they would probably know the GT500 over a COPO.