View Poll Results: motor in 2009!?
how many people besides me think that the new maro will get the LS3?
256
71.51%
come out with a LS5?
30
8.38%
or put the new motors that are coming out in 2010?
72
20.11%
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2009 camaro engine!?
Originally Posted by Disturbed Bird
yes for now adays but still better than fords
but the 2nd gen t/a had a 455 making over 400 from the factory but was rated at 290. just shows that b/c there rated low dosnt make it low.
but the 2nd gen t/a had a 455 making over 400 from the factory but was rated at 290. just shows that b/c there rated low dosnt make it low.
the end of the 70s, when things were smogged down.. were slow.
at no point can you call either of them fast, powerful or well designed.
they WERE low power.
bringing up a 455ta is great and all, but you're ignoring about 20 years of crappy motors in fbodys...
the fbodies didnt always have more power then what they were competing with. and the engines wernt always that great.
that said, GM powertrain has their **** together, and from the ecotec to the inline 5 to the 6cyls to their latest V8s, they are well designed motors.... note, they're all new now... for awhile they had the same crap motors for 20,30, hell one of them lasted 50+ years. LOL.
ture. i cant say from expereince for the 70 to early 80's but i did have a friend with a 87 gta that i think had a 305 tbi in it that was stock and it halled ***. now i dont know if it was well engineered or anything but for what it was it was pretty fast and handled well for that year to.
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Originally Posted by Disturbed Bird
ture. i cant say from expereince for the 70 to early 80's but i did have a friend with a 87 gta that i think had a 305 tbi in it that was stock and it halled ***. now i dont know if it was well engineered or anything but for what it was it was pretty fast and handled well for that year to.
Originally Posted by Hydramatic
The GTA had a Corvette 350 that year iirc. A fuelie, I believe....
2. by 87, they were all fuel injected.
now, 87 was the year the GTA was introduced, and you could get it with the 305 TPI motor (the LB9) or the 350 TPI (the L98)
and it was the first year for TPI.
oh, and that was also the first year for roller cams..
but it was in no way shape or form the "corvette motor" from that year or any other year.
Originally Posted by MrDude_1
1. no thirdgen ever had a "corvette motor" in it.
2. by 87, they were all fuel injected.
now, 87 was the year the GTA was introduced, and you could get it with the 305 TPI motor (the LB9) or the 350 TPI (the L98)
and it was the first year for TPI.
oh, and that was also the first year for roller cams..
but it was in no way shape or form the "corvette motor" from that year or any other year.
2. by 87, they were all fuel injected.
now, 87 was the year the GTA was introduced, and you could get it with the 305 TPI motor (the LB9) or the 350 TPI (the L98)
and it was the first year for TPI.
oh, and that was also the first year for roller cams..
but it was in no way shape or form the "corvette motor" from that year or any other year.
Originally Posted by N01SS
huh...so you're saying 85-91 C4's didn't have L98's?
no, im saying they never had corvette motors.
remember, during that time in GM history (i donno if its true anymore) a RPO code was specific to that internal model (Fbody, Ybody, Bbody, Gbody, Xbody, etc..)
so you could have a CORVETTE (Ybody) L98
and you could have a CAMARO (Fbody) L98
but they wouldnt be the same motor.
example:
98 corvette has a LS1.
99 camaro has a LS1.
corvette has diffrent intake, diffrent cam, diffrent PCM tune, diffrent exhaust manifolds, diffrent heads (i think. not positive on the heads)..
yet the genIII family is the CLOSEST a camaro ever came with a vette motor.. esp in 01/02 when the only diff really was the exhaust manifolds and accessories on it.. lol.
Originally Posted by MrDude_1
no, im saying they never had corvette motors.
remember, during that time in GM history (i donno if its true anymore) a RPO code was specific to that internal model (Fbody, Ybody, Bbody, Gbody, Xbody, etc..)
so you could have a CORVETTE (Ybody) L98
and you could have a CAMARO (Fbody) L98
but they wouldnt be the same motor.
example:
98 corvette has a LS1.
99 camaro has a LS1.
corvette has diffrent intake, diffrent cam, diffrent PCM tune, diffrent exhaust manifolds, diffrent heads (i think. not positive on the heads)..
yet the genIII family is the CLOSEST a camaro ever came with a vette motor.. esp in 01/02 when the only diff really was the exhaust manifolds and accessories on it.. lol.
remember, during that time in GM history (i donno if its true anymore) a RPO code was specific to that internal model (Fbody, Ybody, Bbody, Gbody, Xbody, etc..)
so you could have a CORVETTE (Ybody) L98
and you could have a CAMARO (Fbody) L98
but they wouldnt be the same motor.
example:
98 corvette has a LS1.
99 camaro has a LS1.
corvette has diffrent intake, diffrent cam, diffrent PCM tune, diffrent exhaust manifolds, diffrent heads (i think. not positive on the heads)..
yet the genIII family is the CLOSEST a camaro ever came with a vette motor.. esp in 01/02 when the only diff really was the exhaust manifolds and accessories on it.. lol.
99 Corvette LS1 = 99 Camaro LS1, all made 350hp at the crank, same heads, same manifolds, similar tune, same intake mani., same cam, exhaust headers would be the same if they woulda fit in the vette. an LS1 is an LS1 is an LS1. this subject has been beat down.
Originally Posted by SchultzLT1
99 Corvette LS1 = 99 Camaro LS1, all made 350hp at the crank, same heads, same manifolds, similar tune, same intake mani., same cam, exhaust headers would be the same if they woulda fit in the vette. an LS1 is an LS1 is an LS1. this subject has been beat down.
99 had a diffrent cam.
thats why it passed the emissions tests without EGR, while the fbody needed EGR.
in anycase, thats not really relevant to my point.. i was just trying to make a modern equivalent example.
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Originally Posted by 98_WS6
the new camaro is going to be very slow and heavy, i think the mustang gt is going to be faster
they're both (going to be) overweight pigs.
and both manufacturers think they can overlook that fact by putting more power in it.
id expect them to weigh about the same.... but id expect the camaro to be faster, simply because it should have more power.
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Originally Posted by 98_WS6
the new camaro is going to be very slow and heavy, i think the mustang gt is going to be faster
If your judging the weight of the car, solely on body panels, get the hell of this forum, and stop wasting our time.
No one but GM knows if this car is going to weigh 3400 lbs or 4000lbs
Before anyone mentions it: And I know crash test standards have gone up, so STFU, are you saying that there isn't a 2007, 3000lb car on the road??
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Originally Posted by Disturbed Bird
yes it will have direct injected technology in the motors making the smallest v8 the gm makes have more than 450hp stock, and even more on e85.
also its called the gen v smallblock
also its called the gen v smallblock
Can u spell.." Farm Subsidy " e85 costs more to make than it is worth....FACT. 
Originally Posted by hc8719
The **** do you know, dumbass. The new Camaro is 7" shorter than the 4th gen. I'm tired of you spectators guessing the new Camaro will weigh 3800 lbs just because it looks muscular.
If your judging the weight of the car, solely on body panels, get the hell of this forum, and stop wasting our time.
No one but GM knows if this car is going to weigh 3400 lbs or 4000lbs
Before anyone mentions it: And I know crash test standards have gone up, so STFU, are you saying that there isn't a 2007, 3000lb car on the road??
If your judging the weight of the car, solely on body panels, get the hell of this forum, and stop wasting our time.
No one but GM knows if this car is going to weigh 3400 lbs or 4000lbs
Before anyone mentions it: And I know crash test standards have gone up, so STFU, are you saying that there isn't a 2007, 3000lb car on the road??
Generally its based off the GTO, not body panels...you're talkin more airbags, more standard junk that you can't option out, IRS...and a stronger structure to support more power.
You can't expect it to be less than an LS1 car(just say 3500lbs), and if the Goat is 3750lbs or so, thats your starting point.
Originally Posted by hc8719
The **** do you know, dumbass. The new Camaro is 7" shorter than the 4th gen. I'm tired of you spectators guessing the new Camaro will weigh 3800 lbs just because it looks muscular.
If your judging the weight of the car, solely on body panels, get the hell of this forum, and stop wasting our time.
No one but GM knows if this car is going to weigh 3400 lbs or 4000lbs
Before anyone mentions it: And I know crash test standards have gone up, so STFU, are you saying that there isn't a 2007, 3000lb car on the road??
If your judging the weight of the car, solely on body panels, get the hell of this forum, and stop wasting our time.
No one but GM knows if this car is going to weigh 3400 lbs or 4000lbs
Before anyone mentions it: And I know crash test standards have gone up, so STFU, are you saying that there isn't a 2007, 3000lb car on the road??
i'll say it.
there isnt a 2007 RWD V8 3000lb car on the road. the corvette weighs more then that.
there isnt a 2007 fullsize sedan, regardless of engine, on the road that weighs less then 3000.
people want that "solid car" feeling. that means stiffer design. they also want more room inside. it must still meet crash standards. that means weight to compensate the design to meet all the criteria.
weight, to the non-performance crowd, is a non issue. so to the far majority of car buyers, its a non issue.
of the remaining performance entheusiests, 90% of them NEVER goto a racetrack of any kind. so if you up the power, it FEELS faster.. and to them, it is faster.
that leaves us as a VERY SMALL market segment, most of us choosing older cars anyway, not new.
so its almost a fact that the new camaro will weigh alot compared to third and fourthgens. you cant argue that it is not a reasonable expectation.
you can either accept this, and MAYBE be pleasantly surprised.. or you can keep calling people dumbasses for not sharing your cheerful optimism.
Originally Posted by NHRAMAN
E85............... Can u spell.." Farm Subsidy " e85 costs more to make than it is worth....FACT.
Can u spell.." Farm Subsidy " e85 costs more to make than it is worth....FACT. Who cares? He was talking about how much power you can make with it, which is alot. How does subsidized industry have anything to do with how much power e85 can make? E85 is a hot rodder's dream. 100 octane at the pump will make boosted/high comp motors really happy.
Now talking about its future as an economically viable alternative to gasoline is a different story.