View Poll Results: How long will the new Camaro last???
it will be canceled with a year
9
5.81%
2 years
9
5.81%
3 years
52
33.55%
5 years
48
30.97%
7 years or more
22
14.19%
It is the best car design ever and will be on sale forever
15
9.68%
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How long will it last????
07-17-2008, 07:02 AM
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You guys need to stop living in the 90's and get with the times. The WS.6 looks dated already and the new camaro is much more aggressive. People who never looked at a camaro or firebird are into this car. This will be a much better vehicle than the 4th gen and looks 100 times better too. It doesn't have that obnoxious wing or hide a way head lights, tell the Hoff I said hi.
07-17-2008, 11:27 AM
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You guys need to stop living in the 90's and get with the times. The WS.6 looks dated already and the new camaro is much more aggressive. People who never looked at a camaro or firebird are into this car. This will be a much better vehicle than the 4th gen and looks 100 times better too. It doesn't have that obnoxious wing or hide a way head lights, tell the Hoff I said hi.
07-17-2008, 12:24 PM
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You guys need to stop living in the 90's and get with the times. The WS.6 looks dated already and the new camaro is much more aggressive. People who never looked at a camaro or firebird are into this car. This will be a much better vehicle than the 4th gen and looks 100 times better too. It doesn't have that obnoxious wing or hide a way head lights, tell the Hoff I said hi.
Even they look better... a lot better!!!!.... than the new Camaro does.
At least us 4th gen guys are only living in the 90's. You 5th gen guys are living in 60's.
I'll simply say this....... I've NEVER heard ANYONE say a WS6 is ugly.
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07-17-2008, 02:09 PM
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I was just kidding about the wing, lights and the Hoff, Lol. I have owned 4 F-body's all Firebirds. 91 Formula, 92 GTA, 96 T/A and 02 WS.6. I loved the looks of each of them but I think the new Camaro has them all beat. The WS.6 is a great looking car and will probably the 69 camaro of it's time but today it's starting to look old. The only people I hear complain about tge 5th gen is the 4th gen firebird guys. I just think you guys are a little jealous that you now have the 2 coolest GM design.
07-17-2008, 04:37 PM
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To each his own..... but I'm not jealous.... I simply think it looks UGLY... but I HATE retros anyway. If they had released a RETRO Firebird... I would hate it as well. I want new car.... not a new car that looks old. If I wanted a 1960's looking car... I would go buy the real thing.
That being the case.... the only car GM has currently that I think is a really good looking car is the C6.
That being the case.... the only car GM has currently that I think is a really good looking car is the C6.
07-17-2008, 08:09 PM
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I agree that you guys talking about the new Camaro looking ugly, like crap, whatever else, are crazy. Sure, I love my Ws6 too, but to start saying a regular firebird looks better than the new Camaro makes me And yes the Camaro looks at least as aggressive as a Ws6, but with classic muscle car lines and the obvious modern touches opposed to the TA's predatory japanese-beetle look. I think most bashing the new Camaro are just mad that they won't be getting one, because they can't afford a top of line version. Just for the record, so I don't get flamed too much, the Ws6 is still my personal favorite looking US car, but this new Camaro will appeal to a lot larger crowd. Even though I can't realistically see myself buying a new Carmaro (money), I'd still love to come up with a way to get one when they hit dealers.
And yes the Camaro looks at least as aggressive as a Ws6, but with classic muscle car lines and the obvious modern touches opposed to the TA's predatory japanese-beetle look. I think most bashing the new Camaro are just mad that they won't be getting one, because they can't afford a top of line version. Just for the record, so I don't get flamed too much, the Ws6 is still my personal favorite looking US car, but this new Camaro will appeal to a lot larger crowd. Even though I can't realistically see myself buying a new Carmaro (money), I'd still love to come up with a way to get one when they hit dealers.
07-17-2008, 10:18 PM
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Barf if you want... but to me....
C6>C5>=WS6>Firebird>Camaro>5th Gen Camaro.
I just hate the retro look and to me a 3rd or 4th gen Firebird or Camaro is better looking than the new Camaro.
In fact, I can think of several cars that look better than the new Camaro.
The new G8, GTO(discontinued
), even the 350Z.
C6>C5>=WS6>Firebird>Camaro>5th Gen Camaro.
I just hate the retro look and to me a 3rd or 4th gen Firebird or Camaro is better looking than the new Camaro.
In fact, I can think of several cars that look better than the new Camaro.
The new G8, GTO(discontinued
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07-18-2008, 05:23 PM
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if there is one thing that is not going to kill the camaro its gas prices. I know the MPG figures are not released yet, but its suppsed to be 30+mpg with 400+ hp. that annilates the challenger and mustang. you guys act like its going to get 15mpg.
this thing should market itself. hopefully GM will pull its head out in that regard.
I don't see how they could sell this less than 3 years, even if sales turn out bad. I'd look for a minimum of 7 years with a freshening after 4-5.
this thing should market itself. hopefully GM will pull its head out in that regard.
I don't see how they could sell this less than 3 years, even if sales turn out bad. I'd look for a minimum of 7 years with a freshening after 4-5.
07-18-2008, 06:15 PM
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if there is one thing that is not going to kill the camaro its gas prices. I know the MPG figures are not released yet, but its suppsed to be 30+mpg with 400+ hp. that annilates the challenger and mustang. you guys act like its going to get 15mpg.
this thing should market itself. hopefully GM will pull its head out in that regard.
I don't see how they could sell this less than 3 years, even if sales turn out bad. I'd look for a minimum of 7 years with a freshening after 4-5.
this thing should market itself. hopefully GM will pull its head out in that regard.
I don't see how they could sell this less than 3 years, even if sales turn out bad. I'd look for a minimum of 7 years with a freshening after 4-5.
07-18-2008, 06:42 PM
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I don't see how that could be either.... even the Corvette only gets 16city/26hwy and we know the new Camaro is going to be a MUCH heavier car than the Corvette.
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07-18-2008, 09:10 PM
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I'd put money on the auto version with AFM getting 30mpg. The concept was advertised as 400hp and 30mpg if I remember right...
even if it 'only' gets say, 26mpg, simple tuning of the AFM has been proven to provide 4mpg increases without sacraficing any driveability.
07-21-2008, 06:03 PM
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Both the 6 cylinder & the V8 gas mileage are disappointing . My 02 Vert is rated 18 city 26 Hwy and that's just what it gets even if I nail it a few times . Also it appears this 30 something thousand dollar plus the $10,000.00 dealer mark-up 5th gen will just barely keep up with my 4th gen. & its paid for . GM doesn't even know how much to ask for the damn thing . It appears that there are a lot of highly paid white collar workers with GM that have their head up their *** .
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07-21-2008, 06:37 PM
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That's sort of a trap question. The vehicle with the 400 plus hp, or the vehicle?
280 million folks in the US and over the past 5 years GM has been talking about this vehicle GM received 600,000 hand raisers. A hand raiser is someone interested in the vehicle.
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280 million folks in the US and over the past 5 years GM has been talking about this vehicle GM received 600,000 hand raisers. A hand raiser is someone interested in the vehicle.
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07-21-2008, 07:55 PM
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Both the 6 cylinder & the V8 gas mileage are disappointing . My 02 Vert is rated 18 city 26 Hwy and that's just what it gets even if I nail it a few times . Also it appears this 30 something thousand dollar plus the $10,000.00 dealer mark-up 5th gen will just barely keep up with my 4th gen. & its paid for . GM doesn't even know how much to ask for the damn thing . It appears that there are a lot of highly paid white collar workers with GM that have their head up their *** .
07-21-2008, 08:58 PM
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The numbers are dissapointing because we are still used to the old EPA method of computing MPG. You can't compare rating of a 2008+ model to a 2007 or older model. The EPA figures are computed differently. If the 4th gen's MPG was computed using today's method, it would be lower, probably the same or less than the 5th gen.
a good rule of thumb on that is 10%, so the 4th gen would be about 25hwy.
no doubt the 2mpg difference is from the 400lbs less weight and 100 less hp.