I'm sorry , you must have read it wrong because as I stated before . That just happens to be exactly what my Vert gets . Now , I do have a SLP lid & a K&N filter with a Hooker muffler & GC synthetic . I'm well aware of the new mileage computations . I suppose if you modded the 5th Gen it would probably match my OLD 2002 figures .

 

I honestly don't see why i couldn't last for at least 5yrs. Especially if they do a re-vamp after 4-5yrs.

 

ok, here's mpg reality


99 LS1 Auto got 17/24 by old rating, new rating is 15/23

99 LS1 manual got 19/28 by old rating, new rating is 17/26

99 V6 manual 19/30 by old rating, new rating is 17/28

99 V6 auto 19/29 by old rating, new rating is 17/26

so its a 2mpg difference.


so we have 100 more hp and weigh an extra 400lbs now and about 2mpg less on the manual and the auto should be better than the LS1. V6 is about the same with 100 more hp.

how can you complain about that???

 

Thats actually the one Im waiting for. Because chances are, it will start to trend away from this retro fad at that point. I honestly think the 5th Gen Camaro is only going to be around for a short period... and it will rather be axed or will go into its 6th Generation around the time the Mustang does.

 

^^^^^^^^^ one could only hope... unfortunately I think it will not only be short lived but rather than us getting a 6th gen... I think it will just get canceled in about 3 or 4 years.... If so... it will be the end for the Camaro name plate.

 

Funny how I saw a few times on this thread that ls1 cars are 100hp less than the new Camaro. I think its safe to say ls1's make at least 350hp(like the corvette) and 01-02s are somtimes around 360hp stock. So anyway, about fuel milage for 4th gens, the new ratings are actually 17/25 for m6's and 16/23 for A4's according to /www.fueleconomy.gov. So yeah I agree that the gas mileage in the new Camaros will be close to the same as 4th gens, but they don't have 100 more ponies. Overall I'm super excited to see them on the road and I can't wait to buy one later on down the road.

 

with the price of oil rising at a rapid rate and the new federally mandated fleet average of 35 mpg by 2020 and the new federal crash test standards that went into effect this year that have pushed the weight up of cars i give the camaro 5 years max before its killed off again. i wouldn't be surprised if it gets killed off in as little as 3 years as a result of the mustang outselling it again by a margin of 2:1 or more, so...... i am gonna say that it will be a 4 year run and then it will be over.

 

They can overcome this by presenting a low MSRP on both models (whenever that will be).

 

Everyones gotta love this guy with all his insightful knowledge and comments. Round of applause and pat on the back for this guy.

 

The camaro will not last. Too expensive. The only people who will be able to afford it will be the same crowd that is used to buying corvettes and such. Who, will of course continue buying corvettes. This camaro will be as expensive as the corvette was 5 years ago, V8 model at least.

 

Get off me! The FBody went away because GM was trying to force feed the public an expensive overpriced vehicle. Nobody (not enough) wanted it. Hence, it was scraped. The mustang sales didnt help either. What im sayin is they should offer the car really low, as low as they can for the sake of comeback. Do you really want to see history repeat itself? A good scenario would be the LS3 no more than $32,000 MSRP!!!! Those things will be flying off the lots! BTW, I am specualting the V8 MSRP will be $35,000. Lets hope I am way off!

 

I agree....sadly so Sad becasue if it is a failure.... it will probably be the end of the Camaro nameplate.

 

another incorrect comment by 00000.

how was the 4th gen overpriced? the msrp was within 2,000 of the mustang GT when it hit its demise. Offering an *** load more performance. Im not sure why it didnt sell.

you should really look up some facts on things before you post. 98% of what you say is incorrect assumptions based on nothing but your hate of the camaro and what you have read on biased mustang forums.

 

Your retarded, the 4th gens were priced the same or in the area of the Mustangs and PERFORMED ALLOT better then the mustang. The V6 fbody walked over the V6 mustang, as well the LS1 OWNED the 4.6l GT so your again FAIL at proving a point.

 

who doesn't know 4th gen ls1's were underrated?? you don't think LS3's are underrated also? they put down about 380rwhp stock, so thats 80rwhp more than an ls1 = ~100fwhp

 

I think it will last however long this model run goes, meaning I don't think it will see a redesign. But that's broad and could mean it's around 3 years or 6 years so I didn't even bother voting.

I do enjoy how everyone gets so quick to be defensive about the car. It's an internet forum. Just cause this is a GM forum doesn't mean you have to automatically love everything that comes off the line. People are entitled to not like the car. If you can't handle an opinion other than yours you don't belong on the internet. Those who like the car should be able to share that opinion without someone who doesn't like the car giving them ****, and the other way around if someone doesn't like the car they should be able to feel that way too without someone acting like you just slapped their girlfriend.

 

Eh. Put me down for 2 years. I wish it would last longer but with the current gas/energy situation and really tight economy. Less people are buying new cars already let alone in 1-2 years from now. They wait too long to get it out and its longevity will suffer for it.

 

As many of you know it has always been the V6 models that have supported the F-bodies. So, why not have two V6 trims available, something like they did with the RS model. You get the looks of a V8 without the price, mpg, or insurance rates. As crazy as it may seem for us performance junkies, a lot of people just want the look of the car and don't care for the performance. Hence, the sales numbers for the V6 mustangs.

Some of the early posts are old so I don't know if the production vehicle specifics were out yet, but from what I read in Motor Trend the two V6s will have the CTS 300hp V6 in them. The SS model will have two engines available (close Hp and Torque numbers though) L99, if I remember correctly, for the A6 and LS3 for the M6 (the M6 having about 20-30 more hp). The SS engines will have 395-430 hp. The Z-28 is supposed to be supercharged and compete with the GT 500, so I'm assuming around 500-550 hp.

Also, the prices are going to be competitive with the Mustang, Challenger, and 350Z. All of these vehicles were used by GM to do comperative testing and word from GM is that they all paled in comparison (whatever that means). So this means that the SS should be around $28k to $32k. Not a bad price I think for a new SS camaro. To answer the comment about Corvette owners, Corvettes are at least $10k more than the Camaro brand new and thats low balling it. If anything, I think the Corvette owners will buy a new Camaro because it's new and will be exclusive, at least for a while. You also have to think about all the rich guys who are buying these 67-69 camaros for $50k-$100k who will likely buy a new Camaro just to have it sit in the garage next to the 67-69 model.

As far as styling goes, I like it. I think putting the new Camaro in the "Retro" box may be a little incorrect. The siloutte of the Camaro is retro, but most of the styling is new, unlike the Challenger and Mustang which look pretty close to the originals. I understand that the Camaro is being called retro by everyone including GM, but personally I think it is more like retro inspired than retro looking.

As far as the Mustang sells go, I think they were really high because it was the first "retro" styled car in production. As much as I hate to admitt it, they did a good job too. Overall, I still like the sleek look of the 4th gen F-bods over the box/angular shape of the new retro vehicles.

P.S. Nothing and I mean nothing compares to the mean look of a WS6 trans am getting closer to you in the rear view mirror.

 

wow, that turned out longer than I thought.

 

Yeah mine did too... its a NBM thing lol.